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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:48:15 -0400
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
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Hi John!
I appreciate the humor - we all need to be able to laugh at ourselves.
But seriously, is this screw press of any historical significance or is it
just a curiosity piece Bill owns.
Ray W
----- Original Message -----
From: "njcopperjohn" <jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com>
To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 12:35 PM
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
> No it was privately purchased and constructed in Lodi, NJ and can
> produce if necessary approximately one Ryder 40 every 2.33 years.
> This is based on market studies and cash avaialbilities per State
> coinage.
> Rumor has it P.T.Quigley has been known to help cut some of the dies
> used in the screwpress. Its been in operation since 1955. Its human-
> driven as clean-up after the initial trial periods utilizing horses
> and mules became an annoyance particularly in the summer months.
> Yes-I tried it myself a few times, the work is very laborious but the
> perks are quite profitable at times as you can imagine.
> The output of material is not tied down to any particular coinage as
> there are alot collectors out there with the same amount of knowledge
> and outlooks as in 1988. Additionally, almost all new collectors
> follow some pre-determined so-called expert so these suckers are also
> good targets for these Lodi mint products.
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@y..., Ray Williams <njraywms@o...> wrote:
> > Hi John!
> > Does the screw press have any history or pedigree? Was it used
> at any
> > specific mints?
> >
> > Ray W
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "njcopperjohn" <jlorenzo@o...>
> > To: <colonial-coins@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:08 AM
> > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
> >
> >
> > > Stan-I was over Bill's house recently and he did invite me down
> into
> > > his basement and I must say I was impressed with the scewpress.
> Its a
> > > floor type but I was expecting more of a smaller table-top model.
> > >
> > > Once the auction starts anyone wishing photos can E-Mail me if you
> > > choose to examine the RR40 or 1770 issues more closely with your
> own
> > > photo-imaging system. He brought a pair of 1770's with similar die
> > > characterstics to the RR40 as mentioned in the Forgotten Book. He
> > > will decide tonight if one or both go into this offering.
> > >
> > > I will mention someone in Pennsylvania may be interested in the
> > > 1770's individually if only "one" of these 1770's is offered with
> the
> > > RR40.
> > >
> > > JPL.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@y..., "kay" <kschlemm@a...> wrote:
> > > > Yeaaah...........!
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Stan Stephens
> > > > To: colonial-coins@y...
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:03 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Reproduced from "The Gentleman's Magazine" Vol. 54 (1784)
> > > > "Corrections: p. 151 - 'the two English pennies of Richard I.
> > > prove to be spurious...
> > > >
> > > > These pennies are thought to be the fabrications of a certain
> > > collector, notorious in this way, and who must suppose that to
> > > embarrass the path of any science with forgery and futility
> Implies
> > > no Infamy...
> > > > '
> > > > The crime is certainly greater than that which leads the
> common
> > > coiner to the gallows, inasmuch as it Is committed with more ease,
> > > and the profit is incomparably larger. The person above hinted at
> may
> > > therefore rest assured that, when his death shall have rendered
> the
> > > mention of his name safe and free from cruelty, not all his good
> > > qualities will prevent its being delivered to posterity with
> > > perpetual contempt and obloquy'; 4 pp. 521-23 and n.
> > > >
> > > > 4) This forecast referring to the reputation of John White of
> > > Newgate-Street, proved accurate, as he Is generally referred to
> today
> > > as 'notorious' for his forgeries. See 1756, 64 n."
> > > >
> > > > "It's the same old story, same old song and dance,.... my
> friend"
> > > > Areosmith
> > > >
> > > > Stan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > njcopperjohn wrote:
> > > >
> > > > When I started to post the comments on Sunday I was not
> very
> > > clear
> > > > (obviously) on what Bill meant by "AS IS" in his original
> > > description
> > > > on the coin that he asked me to post word by word (his exact
> > > words)
> > > > this coming Sunday. Usually he gives me the freedom to
> change
> > > around
> > > > wording as I see fit. Not in this case. He feels since the
> coin
> > > was
> > > > already sold by a major auction house in 1988, since the
> RR40
> > > has
> > > > been written about in the Forgotten book, since he feels
> this
> > > is a
> > > > $45,000 today, since he feels that at $9,750 someone "in the
> > > know" is
> > > > a getting a steal - its being offered "AS IS" with a no
> return
> > > policy.
> > > > What else can I say. The buyer has to ask himself "Would
> Bill
> > > Anton
> > > > offer a $9,750 coin for sale if he felt it was not genuine?
> > > > Some people really appreciate some of the coins Bill owns.
> Some
> > > are
> > > > jealous. Some are envious. Some do not care. Some ...
> > > > Come Sunday Bill is saying you are getting a coin for
> possibly
> > > $9,750
> > > > that brought $16,000 in 1988. It was returned by the buyer
> > > after six
> > > > weeks as a forgery in 1988. We beg to differ. Its an
> > > experiment. Will
> > > > the new era of knowledge prevail or since it was a forgery
> in
> > > 1988 it
> > > > is still a forgery in 2002. Would Bill intentionally and
> > > publically
> > > > offer a forgery on E-Bay through me to purposely rip-off a
> > > fellow C-
> > > > 4'er???
> > > > It does not get any better than this Ray! Its only a hobby
> and
> > > this
> > > > is just entertainment.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In colonial-coins@y..., Ray Williams <njraywms@o...>
> wrote:
> > > > > Hi John!
> > > > > I've been having a good laugh this AM at the opening
> > > posts.
> > > > These guys
> > > > > have a sense of humor. Seriously John, by removing the
> > > guarantee
> > > > from the
> > > > > coin, I feel that it shows a lack of confidence in this
> coin
> > > by
> > > > both you and
> > > > > Bill. Even if there has been an interest by serious
> > > collectors
> > > > privately,
> > > > > why would that be a reason to change your mind about the
> > > > guarantee? Also, I
> > > > > agree with Mike H that the gaurantee to begin with seemed
> > > > impossible to
> > > > > collect on... If it was proved that the coin was
> > > counterfeit, it
> > > > would be
> > > > > next to impossible to prove that it is a recent
> fabrication.
> > > You
> > > > do tend to
> > > > > gravitate toward controversial coins John. This Ryder 40
> > > sure has
> > > > livened
> > > > > up the conversation on this group... for a while I was
> > > wondering if
> > > > my
> > > > > computer was receiving any posts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ray W
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@o...>
> > > > > To: <colonial-coins@y...>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 7:19 AM
> > > > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I will ask Bill and post soon. JPL.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In colonial-coins@y..., ershye@a... wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi John. You have yet to answer Eric's question about
> > > which
> > > > > > university holds
> > > > > > > an example of the "Ryder-40". By chance it wouldn't be
> > > > McDonald's
> > > > > > Hamburger
> > > > > > > University where it is on display for their students
> to
> > > see what
> > > > > > the precise
> > > > > > > size of a pickle slice should be? <g>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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