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From: Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: ashmolean.pdf
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Thanks Ray, Steve
Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net> wrote:This type of "spooning" of coin edges has been done by sailors for centuries from what I understand. My Dad actually did this in the Navy during WWII and made rings out of quarters for his sisters back home. After being hit continually with a spoon, it reached it's desired diameter and then the center was cut out to make a ring. That looks to be what happened here. An edge device was made but the center was never cut out...
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: johnmenc@optonline.net
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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 4:38 PM
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: ashmolean.pdf
Yes - you could argue that this specimen was engraved outside of
England during the 18th century or maybe the 19th century (1837?).
Let me know what the real date? and Monarch (readable?)is on the
host ...when you get it ... LATER.
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank
<taxi_steve929@y...> wrote:
> John,
> I think this is what you wanted me to look at?? The Brit's and
the rest of the world have always written and said the date in the
dd/mm/yy format I believe. Why we changed that here I don't know.
When programming I remember we used to reformat the date to YY/MM/DD
for comparison. I've also written programs to convert Gregorian
date to what we called Julian date, YYDDD where DDD is the date of
the year, which worked great when producing aging reports. (I guess
these all had to be update for 2000 with a check byte or 2 bytes
added for the complete year)
>
> 1737 or 1837 I don't know. Could be either. Was there any famous
coin made in this countery in 1737??? Maybe up nor'east by them
yankees<s>
>
> Steve
>
> johnmenc@o... wrote:
>
> You make a good point TS with the date needing to be before the
> month and year!
>
>
> > The coin I found most interesting is a Mexico 8 reales ?klippe?,
a
> machine
> > struck
> > coin on an irregular shaped planchet. Dated 1733 MF the coin is
in
> EF or
> > better
> > condition but is not particularly remarkable if it were not for
an
> > inscription engraved
> > along the edge of the coin. The inscription is placed entirely
> around the
> > six sided
> > edge of the coin and reads as follows.
> > This Piece was Taken at | Porto | Bello | by |
> > Edward Vernon Efqr. On Ehe | 22d. of .ovember 1739
> > The coin is engraved on all six sides of the edge, separation
> indicated
> > above by the
> > vertical symbol
>
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<DIV>Thanks Ray, Steve<BR><BR><B><I>Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net></I></B> wrote:
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This type of "spooning" of coin edges has been done by sailors for centuries from what I understand. My Dad actually did this in the Navy during WWII and made rings out of quarters for his sisters back home. After being hit continually with a spoon, it reached it's desired diameter and then the center was cut out to make a ring. That looks to be what happened here. An edge device was made but the center was never cut out...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, January 03, 2005 4:38 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Colonial Numismatics] Re: ashmolean.pdf</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT><BR>Yes - you could argue that this specimen was engraved outside of <BR>England during the 18th century or maybe the 19th century (1837?). <BR>Let me know what the real date? and Monarch (readable?)is on the <BR>host ...when you get it ... LATER.<BR><BR><BR>--- In <A href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>, Steve Frank <BR><<A href="mailto:taxi_steve929@y">taxi_steve929@y</A>...> wrote:<BR>> John,<BR>> I think this is what you wanted me to look at?? The Brit's and <BR>the rest of the world have always written and said the date in the <BR>dd/mm/yy format I believe. Why we changed that here I don't know. <BR>When programming I remember we used to reformat the date to YY/MM/DD <BR>for comparison. I've also written programs to convert Gregorian <BR>date to what we called Julian date, YYDDD where DDD is the date of <BR>the year, which worked great when producing aging reports. (I guess
<BR>these all had to be update for 2000 with a check byte or 2 bytes <BR>added for the complete year)<BR>> <BR>> 1737 or 1837 I don't know. Could be either. Was there any famous <BR>coin made in this countery in 1737??? Maybe up nor'east by them <BR>yankees<s><BR>> <BR>> Steve<BR>> <BR>> johnmenc@o... wrote:<BR>> <BR>> You make a good point TS with the date needing to be before the <BR>> month and year!<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> > The coin I found most interesting is a Mexico 8 reales ?klippe?, <BR>a <BR>> machine <BR>> > struck <BR>> > coin on an irregular shaped planchet. Dated 1733 MF the coin is <BR>in <BR>> EF or <BR>> > better <BR>> > condition but is not particularly remarkable if it were not for <BR>an <BR>> > inscription engraved <BR>> > along the edge of the coin. The inscription is placed entirely <BR>> around the
<BR>> > six sided <BR>> > edge of the coin and reads as follows. <BR>> > This Piece was Taken at | Porto | Bello | by | <BR>> > Edward Vernon Efqr. On Ehe | 22d. of .ovember 1739 <BR>> > The coin is engraved on all six sides of the edge, separation <BR>> indicated <BR>> > above by the <BR>> > vertical symbol <BR>> <BR>> ---------------------------------<BR>> Do you Yahoo!?<BR>> Jazz up your holiday email with celebrity designs. Learn more.<BR><BR><BR><BR></TT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><p>
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