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From: Oliver Hoover <oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] OT: Need help identifying coin. Not American
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Morris,
Arabic script is indeed read right to left, but date numerals go left to r=
ight. I am not sure whether this is due to the fact that the numeral charac=
ters originally entered Arabic script from the Devangari script of northe=
rn India, which is normally written from left to right. Probably much more =
than you wanted to know, but hey...
The date side of the coin is upside down in your image. Flipping it over I'=
d say it looks more like 1263. this would mean that it is actually an issue=
of Sharif Moulay 'Abd al-Rahman (not Sulieuman as I said before) struck in=
AD 1846.
That is really interesting about the provenance. Were there any other oddit=
ies like this in the material?
Oliver
On Dec 12, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Morris Hankins wrote:
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> Oliver, thank you for the reply and information. I do not believe that t=
he last two numbers are the same, but I don;t know which way to read it eit=
her. I thought the Morroco written language was read right to left.
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> I'm much more inclined to agree with your thinking on this as I have abso=
lutely no knowledge of this type coin.
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> As far as providence is concerned, I believe that I got it with a group o=
f spanish copper coins from some spanish church dig in California about twe=
lve years ago.
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> --- On Mon, 12/12/11, Oliver Hoover <oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca> wrote:
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> From: Oliver Hoover <oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] OT: Need help identifying coin. Not A=
merican
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:51 AM
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> Morris,
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> This is a bronze fulus of Sharif Suleiman II of Morocco. It depicts the s=
eal of Solomon (pentagram) on the obverse and the Hegira date on the rever=
se. How do you read it? It looks like maybe 1233 in the image.
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> Does this piece have an American find provenance?
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> Oliver
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> On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Morris Hankins wrote:
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>> Coin is cast brass; you can readily see the break-off tab.
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>> I have no idea if this is right side up or left side down. Please advis=
e whatever you can on it.
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>> Thanks in advance to this very knowledgeable group.
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>> Morris
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>> <0000 Unknown Coin 53457.jpg><0000 Unknown Obv 53457.jpg><0000 Unknown R=
ev 53457.jpg>
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<html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://376/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: br=
eak-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
">Morris,<div><br></div><div>Arabic script is indeed read right to le=
ft, but date numerals go left to right. I am not sure whether this is due t=
o the fact that the numeral characters originally entered Arabic scri=
pt from the Devangari script of northern India, which is normally wri=
tten from left to right. Probably much more than you wanted to know, but he=
y...</div><div><br></div><div>The date side of the coin is upside down in y=
our image. Flipping it over I'd say it looks more like 1263. this would mea=
n that it is actually an issue of Sharif Moulay 'Abd al-Rahman (not Sulieum=
an as I said before) struck in AD 1846.</div><div><br></div><div>That is re=
ally interesting about the provenance. Were there any other oddities like t=
his in the material?</div><div><br></div><div>Oliver</div><div><br><div><di=
v>On Dec 12, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Morris Hankins wrote:</div><br class=3D"App=
le-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-styl=
e-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-st=
yle: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: nor=
mal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent=
: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacin=
g: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust:=
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><br><br><t=
able cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td valign=
=3D"top" style=3D"font: inherit; "><div>Oliver, thank you for the reply and=
information. I do not believe that the last two numbers are the same=
, but I don;t know which way to read it either. I thought the Morroco=
written language was read right to left.</div><div> </div><div>I'm mu=
ch more inclined to agree with your thinking on this as I have absolutely n=
o knowledge of this type coin.</div><div> </div><div>As far as provide=
nce is concerned, I believe that I got it with a group of spanish copper co=
ins from some spanish church dig in California about twelve years ago.</div=
><div> </div><div>Morris <br><br>--- On<span class=3D"Apple-conve=
rted-space"> </span><b>Mon, 12/12/11, Oliver Hoover<span class=3D"Appl=
e-converted-space"> </span><i><<a href=3D"mailto:oliver.hoover@symp=
atico.ca">oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca</a>></i></b><span class=3D"Apple-co=
nverted-space"> </span>wrote:<br></div><blockquote style=3D"border-lef=
t-color: rgb(16, 16, 255); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid=
; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; "><br>From: Oliver Hoover <<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca">oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca</a>><=
br>Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] OT: Need help identifying coin. Not =
American<br>To:<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href=
=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</=
a><br>Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:51 AM<br><br><div id=3D"yiv178326=
4233"><base><div><br><br>Morris,<div><br></div><div>This is a bronze fulus =
of Sharif Suleiman II of Morocco. It depicts the seal of Solomon (pen=
tagram) on the obverse and the Hegira date on the reverse. How do you read =
it? It looks like maybe 1233 in the image.</div><div><br></div><div>Does th=
is piece have an American find provenance?</div><div><br></div><div>Oliver<=
/div><div><br><div><div>On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Morris Hankins wrote:=
</div><br class=3D"yiv1783264233Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><span class=3D"yiv1783264233Apple-style-span" style=3D"widows: 2;=
text-transform: none; text-indent: 0px; border-collapse: separate; font: n=
ormal normal normal medium/normal Helvetica; white-space: normal; orphans: =
2; letter-spacing: normal; word-spacing: 0px; "><div><br><br><table border=
=3D"0" cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0"><tbody><tr><td valign=3D"top"><d=
iv>Coin is cast brass; you can readily see the break-off tab.</div><div>&nb=
sp;</div><div>I have no idea if this is right side up or left side down.&nb=
sp; Please advise whatever you can on it.</div><div> </div><div>Thanks=
in advance to this very knowledgeable group.</div><div> </div><div>Mo=
rris</div></td></tr></tbody></table><br><br><div style=3D"color: white; cle=
ar: both; "></div><span><0000 Unknown Coin 53457.jpg></span><span><=
;0000 Unknown Obv 53457.jpg></span><span><0000 Unknown Rev 53457.jpg&=
gt;</span></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div><br><br><div style=3D"c=
olor: white; clear: both; "></div></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbod=
y></table><br><br><div width=3D"1" style=3D"color: white; clear: both; "></=
div></div></span></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>
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