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From: Morris Hankins <joshalso2000@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] OT: Need help identifying coin. Not American
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Thanks Oliver.=A0 I agree with you 1263 H date [1846] and I have flipped th=
e coin, see attached photo.
=A0
There is always an expert in the group when you need one.
=A0
Morris
--- On Mon, 12/12/11, Oliver Hoover <oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca> wrote:
From: Oliver Hoover <oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] OT: Need help identifying coin. Not Ame=
rican
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 12:55 PM
Morris,=20
Arabic script =A0is indeed read right to left, but date numerals go left to=
right. I am not sure whether this is due to the fact that the numeral char=
acters =A0originally entered Arabic script from the Devangari =A0script of =
northern India, which is normally written from left to right. Probably much=
more than you wanted to know, but hey...
The date side of the coin is upside down in your image. Flipping it over I'=
d say it looks more like 1263. this would mean that it is actually an issue=
of Sharif Moulay 'Abd al-Rahman (not Sulieuman as I said before) struck in=
AD 1846.
That is really interesting about the provenance. Were there any other oddit=
ies like this in the material?
Oliver
On Dec 12, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Morris Hankins wrote:
Oliver, thank you for the reply and information.=A0 I do not believe that t=
he last two numbers are the same, but I don;t know which way to read it eit=
her.=A0 I thought the Morroco written language was read right to left.
=A0
I'm much more inclined to agree with your thinking on this as I have absolu=
tely no knowledge of this type coin.
=A0
As far as providence is concerned, I believe that I got it with a group of =
spanish copper coins from some spanish church dig in California about twelv=
e years ago.
=A0
Morris=A0
--- On=A0Mon, 12/12/11, Oliver Hoover=A0<oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca>=A0wrot=
e:
From: Oliver Hoover <oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] OT: Need help identifying coin. Not Ame=
rican
To:=A0colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 12, 2011, 11:51 AM
Morris,=20
This is a bronze fulus of Sharif Suleiman II of Morocco. It depicts the sea=
l of Solomon =A0(pentagram) on the obverse and the Hegira date on the rever=
se. How do you read it? It looks like maybe 1233 in the image.
Does this piece have an American find provenance?
Oliver
On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Morris Hankins wrote:
Coin is cast brass; you can readily see the break-off tab.
=A0
I have no idea if this is right side up or left side down.=A0 Please advise=
whatever you can on it.
=A0
Thanks in advance to this very knowledgeable group.
=A0
Morris
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top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Thanks Oliver. I agree with you 12=
63 H date [1846] and I have flipped the coin, see attached photo.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There is always an expert in the group when you need one.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Morris<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 12/12/11, Oliver Hoover <I><oliver.hoo=
ver@sympatico.ca></I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
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a><BR>Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] OT: Need help identifying coin=
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<DIV><BR><BR>Morris,=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Arabic script is indeed read right to left, but date numerals go=
left to right. I am not sure whether this is due to the fact that the nume=
ral characters originally entered Arabic script from the Devangari &n=
bsp;script of northern India, which is normally written from left to right.=
Probably much more than you wanted to know, but hey...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>The date side of the coin is upside down in your image. Flipping it ov=
er I'd say it looks more like 1263. this would mean that it is actually an =
issue of Sharif Moulay 'Abd al-Rahman (not Sulieuman as I said before) stru=
ck in AD 1846.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>That is really interesting about the provenance. Were there any other =
oddities like this in the material?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Oliver</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
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<DIV>On Dec 12, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Morris Hankins wrote:</DIV><BR class=3Dy=
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<DIV>Oliver, thank you for the reply and information. I do not believ=
e that the last two numbers are the same, but I don;t know which way to rea=
d it either. I thought the Morroco written language was read right to=
left.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I'm much more inclined to agree with your thinking on this as I have a=
bsolutely no knowledge of this type coin.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As far as providence is concerned, I believe that I got it with a grou=
p of spanish copper coins from some spanish church dig in California about =
twelve years ago.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Morris <BR><BR>--- On<SPAN class=3Dyiv992223926Apple-converted-sp=
ace> </SPAN><B>Mon, 12/12/11, Oliver Hoover<SPAN class=3Dyiv992223926A=
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p;</SPAN>wrote:<BR></DIV>
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px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Oliver Hoover <<A href=3D"http://us.mc16=
15.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=3Doliver.hoover@sympatico.ca" rel=3Dnofollo=
w target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:oliver.hoover@sympatico.ca">oliver.hoov=
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ilto=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.c=
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<DIV id=3Dyiv992223926><BASE>
<DIV><BR><BR>Morris,=20
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>This is a bronze fulus of Sharif Suleiman II of Morocco. It depicts th=
e seal of Solomon (pentagram) on the obverse and the Hegira date on t=
he reverse. How do you read it? It looks like maybe 1233 in the image.</DIV=
>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Does this piece have an American find provenance?</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Oliver</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Dec 12, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Morris Hankins wrote:</DIV><BR class=3Dy=
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<DIV>Coin is cast brass; you can readily see the break-off tab.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I have no idea if this is right side up or left side down. Pleas=
e advise whatever you can on it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks in advance to this very knowledgeable group.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Morris</DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR><BR>
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