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    Roger, might be time for another Gleanings from the Internet article from
    you!

    Jeff

    On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
    [colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

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    > This is a cool start. I look forward to further thoughts on the topic.
    > Ray
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    > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 06:18 PM, Roger Siboni novacaesarea@yahoo.com
    > [colonial-coins] wrote:
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    > Hi Guys,
    >
    > Back to my library and little peace and quiet to enjoy thinking about
    > Colonial numismatics. So for starters, I think the 1606 King James Charte=
    r
    > "maybe" was exclusively granted to Virginia. But at least a serious case
    > can be made that it was also granted to Maryland (see Jordan: Notre Dame
    > Web Site: under the "privileges of any Bishop of Durham" which Lou has
    > amplified in other writings).
    >
    > Having said that, I also thought it was worth saying that I don't think
    > this 1606 Charter granted to the Virginia Company has much to do with the
    > small copper Virginia Halfpenny coinage. The original Charter was long ag=
    o
    > revoked and a new (Colony initiated) more practical Bill was authorized b=
    y
    > the Virginia Assembly in 1769. That measure authorized Treasurer Robert
    > Carter Nicholas to obtain 2,500 pounds of copper halfpennies.
    >
    > The correspondence between Nicholas and J Norton and Sons (Merchants for
    > the Colony and mentioned in my earlier post) is fascinating in that it
    > chronicles all the back and forth of getting the coinage made from a lett=
    er
    > in December 1769 to final delivery and Royal Proclamation to allow
    > circulation in February 1775 after hostilities had already broken out.
    >
    > Reading between the lines, I think part of the delay was that the origina=
    l
    > Virginia Assembly Bill came under Lord Hillsbourough who oversaw the
    > American Colonies for the Crown and wanted to contain their activities in
    > every way. But the final approval, manufacture and ultimate issuance unde=
    r
    > the King's proclamation happened under Lord Dartmouth who was far more
    > sympathetic to the Colonies. But this latter part is total conjecture on =
    my
    > part. I never really liked Hillsbourough :)!
    >
    > Anyway...my two pence.
    >
    > Roger Siboni
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    > On Monday, November 16, 2015 12:44 PM, "Roger Siboni
    > novacaesarea@yahoo.com [colonial-coins]" <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
    > wrote:
    >
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    >
    > Hi Guys,
    >
    > Traveling now so can't do chapter and verse, but check out John Norton an=
    d
    > Sons:Merchants of London and Virginia (Frances Norton Mason) that goes in=
    to
    > the excruciating detail and back and forth of arranging to have Virginia
    > Halfpennies made in England for the Virginia Colony.
    >
    > They were Merchants for the Colony. I am pretty sure they go into the
    > authorization as part of the contracting process.
    >
    > More when I am back.
    >
    > Hope this helps a little.
    >
    > Roger
    >
    >
    > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone <https://yho.com/footer0>
    >
    > On Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 10:17 PM, books@bowmanstonepress.com
    > [colonial-coins] <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
    >
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    >
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    > Also, see Crosby, p. 19. (Attached) Doesn't seem to preclude making them
    > in America and I spoke to a fellow in NC who claimed that he knew of an
    > early local issue, even paid him a little bit for information, but he
    > wasn't able to track down anything solid. The 1773-1774 issues were
    > definitely made in England.
    > Will
    >
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    > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Virginia question
    > From: "Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net [colonial-coins]" <
    > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
    > Date: Wed, November 11, 2015 3:00 pm
    > To: "colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" <
    > colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
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    > > Thanks Alan,
    > > If it's readily available when you're home, please send it. If
    > > not, that's okay - I'll wait til I get home to locate the text in Phil'=
    s
    > > article. That's probably where I heard it to begin with.
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    > > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 01:57 PM, vacoinage@aol.com [colonial-coins]
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    > > I am at work so I do not have it at hand but it is included in the 1st
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    > > -----Original Message-----
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    > From: Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net [colonial-coins]
    > > <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
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    > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
    > > <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
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    > > Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2015 1:32 pm
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    > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Virginia question
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    > > -----Original Message-----
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    > From: Ray Williams njraywms@optonline.net
    > > <mailto:njraywms@optonline.net> [colonial-coins]
    > > <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com <mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
    > >>
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    > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
    > > <mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
    > > <mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
    > > <mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com> >
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    > > Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2015 1:22 pm
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    > > only colony that had permission to make coins in their original
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    > > charter. Can anyone confirm this to be true - that they had
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    <div dir=3D"ltr">Roger, might be time for another Gleanings from the Intern=
    et article from you!<br><br>Jeff</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div c=
    lass=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Ray Williams <a href=
    =3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net">njraywms@optonline.net</a> [colonial-coi=
    ns] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com"=
    target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>=
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    <p>This is a cool start.=C2=A0 I look forward to further thoughts on =
    the topic.<div>Ray</div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div style=3D"font-family:Ve=
    rdana"><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div>On Sat, Nov 21, 2=
    015 at 06:18 PM, Roger Siboni <a href=3D"mailto:novacaesarea@yahoo.com" tar=
    get=3D"_blank">novacaesarea@yahoo.com</a> [colonial-coins] wrote:<div>=C2=
    =A0</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;bor=
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    <div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica Neue,Hel=
    vetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(2=
    55,255,255)"><div><div><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica=
    Neue,Helvetica Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida Grande,sans-serif;font-size:16px=
    ;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><div><span>Hi Guys,</span></div><div><s=
    pan><br clear=3D"none"></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Back to my libra=
    ry and little peace and quiet to enjoy thinking about Colonial numismatics.=
    So for starters, I think the 1606 King James Charter "maybe" was=
    exclusively granted to Virginia. But at least a serious case can be made t=
    hat it was also
    granted to Maryland (see Jordan: Notre Dame Web Site: under the "priv=
    ileges of any Bishop of Durham" which Lou has amplified in other writi=
    ngs).=C2=A0</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></=
    div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Having said that, I also thought it was worth sa=
    ying that I don't think this 1606 Charter granted to the Virginia Compa=
    ny has much to do with the small copper Virginia Halfpenny coinage. The ori=
    ginal Charter was long ago revoked and a new (Colony initiated) more practi=
    cal Bill was authorized by the Virginia Assembly in 1769. That measure auth=
    orized Treasurer Robert Carter Nicholas to obtain 2,500 pounds of copper ha=
    lfpennies.</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">The corr=
    espondence between
    Nicholas and J Norton and Sons (Merchants for the Colony and mentioned in =
    my earlier post) is fascinating in that it chronicles all the back and fort=
    h of getting the coinage made from a letter in December 1769 to final deliv=
    ery and Royal Proclamation to allow circulation in February 1775 after host=
    ilities had already broken out.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div =
    dir=3D"ltr">Reading between the lines, I think part of the delay was that t=
    he original Virginia Assembly Bill came under Lord Hillsbourough who oversa=
    w the American Colonies for the Crown and wanted to contain their activitie=
    s in every way. But the final approval, manufacture and ultimate issuance u=
    nder the King's proclamation happened under Lord Dartmouth who was far =
    more sympathetic to the Colonies. But this latter part is total conjecture =
    on my part. I never really liked Hillsbourough :)!</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
    r></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Anyway...my two pence.</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><=
    /div><div dir=3D"ltr">Roger Siboni</div><div><span><br clear=3D"none"></spa=
    n></div><div><span><br clear=3D"none"></span></div> <br clear=3D"none"><div=
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    <br><br></div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> On Mon=
    day, November 16, 2015 12:44 PM, "Roger Siboni <a href=3D"mailto:novac=
    aesarea@yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">novacaesarea@yahoo.com</a> [colonial-c=
    oins]" <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D=
    "_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></=
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    Hi Guys,</div><div><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>Traveling =
    now so can't do chapter and verse, but check out John Norton and Sons:M=
    erchants of London and Virginia (Frances Norton Mason) that goes into the e=
    xcruciating detail and back and forth of arranging to have Virginia Halfpen=
    nies made in England for the Virginia Colony.=C2=A0</div><div><br clear=3D"=
    none"></div><div>They were Merchants for the Colony. I am pretty sure they =
    go into the authorization as part of the contracting process.=C2=A0</div><d=
    iv><br clear=3D"none"></div><div>More when I am back.=C2=A0</div><div><br c=
    lear=3D"none"></div><div>Hope this helps a little.</div><div><br clear=3D"n=
    one"></div><div>Roger<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"non=
    e"><a href=3D"https://yho.com/footer0" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow" s=
    hape=3D"rect">Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone</a><br clear=3D"none"><br cle=
    ar=3D"none"><div><div style=3D"color:rgb(113,95,250);font-size:15px;margin-=
    top:0px">On Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 10:17 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:books=
    @bowmanstonepress.com" target=3D"_blank">books@bowmanstonepress.com</a> [co=
    lonial-coins] <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=
    =3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote>
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    Also, see Crosby, p. 19. (Attached) =C2=A0Doesn't seem to preclude maki=
    ng them in America and I spoke to a fellow in NC who claimed that he knew o=
    f an early local issue, even paid him a little bit for information, but he =
    wasn't able to track down anything solid.=C2=A0 The 1773-1774 issues we=
    re
    definitely made in England.</div><div>Will</div><div><br clear=3D"none">---=
    ------------------------- Original Message ----------------------------<br =
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    Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Virginia question<br clear=3D"none">
    From: "Ray Williams <a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net" target=
    =3D"_blank">njraywms@optonline.net</a> [colonial-coins]" <<a href=
    =3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins=
    @yahoogroups.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
    Date: Wed, November 11, 2015 3:00 pm<br clear=3D"none">
    To: "<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blan=
    k">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a> <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yaho=
    ogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>" <=
    ;<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank">coloni=
    al-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
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    > Thanks Alan,<br clear=3D"none">
    > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 If it's readily available when you're=
    home, please send it.=C2=A0 If<br clear=3D"none">
    > not, that's okay - I'll wait til I get home to locate the text=
    in Phil's<br clear=3D"none">
    > article.=C2=A0 That's probably where I heard it to begin with.<br =
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    > Ray<br clear=3D"none">
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    > =C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
    > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 01:57 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:vacoinage@aol.com"=
    target=3D"_blank">vacoinage@aol.com</a> [colonial-coins]<br clear=3D"none"=
    >
    > wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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    > I am at work so I do not have it at hand but it is included in the 1st=
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    > VA charter and upheld in the next two.=C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
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    > -----Original Message-----<br clear=3D"none">
    ><br clear=3D"none">
    ><br clear=3D"none">
    From: Ray Williams <a href=3D"mailto:njraywms@optonline.net" target=3D"_bla=
    nk">njraywms@optonline.net</a> [colonial-coins]<br clear=3D"none">
    > <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank=
    ">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
    ><br clear=3D"none">
    > To: <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank=
    ">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a> <a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoo=
    groups.com" target=3D"_blank">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a><br clear=
    =3D"none">
    > <<a href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com" target=3D"_blank=
    ">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</a>><br clear=3D"none">
    ><br clear=3D"none">
    > Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2015 1:32 pm<br clear=3D"none">
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    > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Virginia question<br clear=3D"none=
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    > =C2=A0<br clear=3D"none">
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    > Thanks Alan,<br clear=3D"none">
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    > =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Any chance you might have a quote from the le=
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    > Ray<br clear=3D"none">
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    > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 01:27 PM, <a href=3D"mailto:vacoinage@aol.com"=
    target=3D"_blank">vacoinage@aol.com</a><br clear=3D"none">
    > <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:vacoinage@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">vaco=
    inage@aol.com</a>> [colonial-coins] wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
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    > That is correct Ray.<br clear=3D"none">
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    > -----Original Mes
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