M.33.16-Z.15 die state Public Deposited
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Subject: Re: M.33.16-Z.15 die state
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From: "Stan Stephens" <sstephens@hsc.wvu.edu>
Jim,
You never cease to amaze me.
Stan
--- In colonial-coins@egroups.com, LWS/JCS/CNLF <JCSpilman@E...>
wrote:
> Neil & Stan - -
>
> This sort of die break DOES occur - usually when a die would have
> "warped" a bit but instead had a catastrophic fracture so that the
warp
> did not remain but the fields move in height relative to one
another.
> This is due to uneven hardening in the base of the die. Big problem
> with the early U.S.Mint.
>
> I once upon a time wrote a short paper on the subject with
illustrations
> but I never did get around to publishing it. It is titled Numismatic
> Tectonics. If I can locate it in my files I will send you both a
copy.
>
> Jim/CNLF
>
> =====================
>
> Neil Rothschild wrote:
> >
> > Stan,
> >
> > I think you are saying that the fields on either side of the
"break"
> > are on
> > different planes? I don't recall noticing that on my specimen
but
I
> > know it
> > is this later state.
> >
> > I've attached a scanned image (not a digital photo), ex Bowers
7/7/96
> > Long
> > sale:316. What you are describing would be tough to ascertain on
a
> > 2-D
> > image. The Perkins coin happened to be an early state but that
may
> > be
> > unusual for the variety. I did a quick check of my plates last
night
> > and
> > saw the break on most specimens, at least to some extent.
> >
> > I also attached a half tone photo of my 33.2-Z.17. I call this
the
> > "San
> > Andreas Fault Variety". You can see from the shadowing that the
> > fields on
> > either side of the break are on distinctly different planes.
It's
one
> > of my
> > favorite die breaks. This break bisects the coin from rim to
rim.
I
> > think
> > what you see as unusual with the 33.16-Z.15 is that the break is
tiny
> > and
> > should not have resulted in differing altitudes of the fields??
> >
> > Also attached a 3rd photo of a 33.16_Z.15 that I digitally
> > photographed from
> > a dealer stock box recently. This appears to a slightly earlier
state
> > than
> > the Long piece, but the photo is very high res. You can blow it
up
> > and
> > compare to your (?) coin.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stan Stephens <sstephens@h...>
> > To: <colonial-coins@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2000 2:15 PM
> > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] M.33.16-Z.15 die state
> >
> > > Neil,
> > > I meant to post a scan of the coin today but I walked out of the
> > > house this morning without it.
> > >
> > > It is not a raised line resulting from a die break at K5 on the
> > > obverse. The surface below the line is higher than the surface
above
> > > it. Detail on either side does not seem to suffer.
> > > Looking at Perkins lot 380 I see no signs of this and this just
> > seems
> > > a curious thing to me.
> > >
> > > Thanks Jim for the feedback on the Fugio. I will check CNL
tonight.
> > > Stan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > Name: 33_2_Z_17.jpg
> > 33_2_Z_17.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg)
> > Encoding: base64
> >
> > Name: 33_16_Z_15.JPG
> > 33_16_Z_15.JPG Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg)
> > Encoding: base64
> >
> > Name: 352_0024.jpg
> > 352_0024.jpg Type: JPEG Image (image/jpeg)
> > Encoding: base64 - 2000-06-19
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