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Subject: Re: c/s c'tf't 1/2d from prepared punch
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From: "Bob Merchant" <vermont@mindspring.com>
Byron & others,
I have seen another countermark on an English Halfpence that is very
similar to this one, but the letters are different. I believe that
this countermark was meant to be in a heart-shaped serrated-edged
punch. The letters are probably meant to be read as "G : L / S", the
second letter ("L" or "I") not being clear. The punch is very badly
executed, and the "S" is retrograde. This tells us that the punch
was probably created by a craftsman who should have hired the local
die-sinker but instead tried to save a few bucks by making the punch
himself. (Judging by the frequency in which amateur-looking
countermarks are found, this was probably a common occurrence).
Heart-shaped punches are one of my favorite types of countermarks. I
have seen them used by tool-makers, silversmiths, and pewterers.
They are much rarer than other designs (usually rectangles).
Bryon's mention of a countermark photo-file is a great idea. Perhaps
we can take digital images of the countermarks that are brought to
C4/Boston. Maybe a CD/DVD of known Early American countermarks can
be made in the future for distribution to C4 members. I would be glad
to organize something if there is any interest beyond my own.
Bob M.
--- In colonial-coins@egroups.com, LWS/JCS/CNLF <JCSpilman@E...>
wrote:
> Hello all - -
>
> This is an unusual marking. You indicated, Byron, that these
letters
> are raised. Pewterer's marks generally produce incuse markings, but
it
> is not a pewterer's punch as the letters are reversed; but it was
> evidently designed for use either in a mold or in a stamping
operation.
>
> The partial serrated edge is also unusual - too bad it did not
impress
> all the way around so that we could positively determine the shape.
My
> speculation is that this is a hammered mark and not produced in a
screw
> press which would have assured a symmetrical marking.
>
> Can you feel the indentation effect on the opposite side? Usually
-
if
> a heavy punch impression is made as in this case, there will be a
> definite bend or bulge in the metal on the opposite side.
> Contemporaneous marks can be determined by the excessive wear of the
> bulge and are quite obvious. In this manner it is possible to make a
> rough estimate of the age/time of the punching.
>
> Comments -?-
>
>
>
> David Palmer wrote:
> >
> > --- In colonial-coins@egroups.com, "Byron Weston" <bkweston@n...>
> > wrote:
> > > Hi all!
> > > Just returned from PAN and thought I'd add this piece to
> > > the counterstamps photofile you guys are building. Byron
> >
> > Byron, Neat C/S!! Raised C/S are imho the neatest of all. This
> > appears to be in a heart shaped depression, with the right side
> > somewhat indistinct. I don't know whose mark it is, but would
offer
> > that it probably is that of a pewterer, unknown as to American or
> > other, as I have not seen the mark before to my knowledge. Bob
> > Merchant might be able to pinpoint it, tho'. Thanks for the
picture!
> > David
> >
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