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- From bkweston@netzero.net Sat Sep 15 11:22:18 2001
Return-Path: <bkweston@netzero.net> X-Sender: bkweston@netzero.net X-Apparently-To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-7_3_2_2); 15 Sep 2001 18:22:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 31904 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2001 16:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (10.1.10.26) by l10.egroups.com with QMQP; 15 Sep 2001 16:04:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n13.groups.yahoo.com) (10.1.10.91) by mta1 with SMTP; 15 Sep 2001 16:04:40 -0000 X-eGroups-Return: bkweston@netzero.net Received: from [10.1.10.67] by jj.egroups.com with NNFMP; 15 Sep 2001 16:04:40 -0000 Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 16:04:39 -0000 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Pre-1771 English Evasions Message-ID: <9nvu6n+flqf@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <158.fe8412.28d40e88@aol.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 4314 X-Mailer: eGroups Message Poster X-Originating-IP: 4.54.48.101 From: "Byron K. Weston" <bkweston@netzero.net>
An interesting observation, Brian, but I don't think the coin described is what we might consider an Evasion, per se. It is a very complex topic and there is a lot of indecision of what may or may not be included in the category of Evasions. I, myself, do not believe that the manufacturing of (what are generally accepted to be Evasions) began until the law of '71 was enacted. Of course there may have been a smattering of attempts to produce a counterfeit that would sidestep the letter of the law before 1771, but that was not spelled out as well as to what that might entail as it was in the law of '71. Basically, either Peck's statment was speculative or there is some loss of meaning in its interpretation, as we Americans and our British cousins are separated by a common language. In other words, what Peck is saying may not mean the same thing to him as it does to us. "Evasions" in his use of the word may have been used as a generalization of the word. Evasions as a series of coins produced to evade a particular counterfeiting law probably did not come about until after 1771. Because many of these Evasions use the efigy of Geo.II and/or dates going as far back as the 1600's, this only adds to the confusion. I think it is important to remember that in 1771 what genuine coinage there was in circulation was still Geo.II issues. Of course a good portion of coppers were counterfeits as well. Not until the law of '71 was an...'organized' effort made to sidestep this particular law. The new regal copper coinage was perhaps considered a token gesture by the crown and there was still a shortage of genuine coppers, especially for the needs at home (England), so various manufaturers (tokens and/or buttons) took matters into there own hands and produced these coppers that would not violate 'the letter of the law' - pun intended! Or, at least, this is my current theory of the chronology - which, of course, is always subject to change or modification! Byron
--- In colonial-coins@y..., briandanf@a... wrote: > Hello one and all, > > I have been following the general discussions in the group as to Evasion > coppers. I wish to express my appreciation for all of the information that > has been shared. > > I have been conducting research these past few years on Wood's Money and the > fruits of that effort have appeared in a few articles in C-4 and CNL > publications. > Lately, I have expanded my research focus to the 1756-1766 period, which > basically pre-dates the era that group discussions have focused on. > > YET, the period that I am researching certainly forms the backdrop for the > Evasions of 1771 and those that followed. > > Recently, in reading the English papers of 1758, I came across a very > interesting discussion on an English Evasion copper. The coin in question > was described as follows: > > obverse: bust - Queen Mary II > legend - MARIA II DEI GRA (no punctuation marks) > reverse: imprint of a four leaf stemmed rose (somewhat similar to the > Rosa > Americana coin) > legend - EXCANDORE (no punctuations marks) in the > article's text, the > author stated the > legend as " EX CANDORE" > although the coin's > drawing had no spacing > between the letters > > > In C. Wilson Peck's book entitled: English Copper, Tin and Bronze Coins, he > stated that Evasion coins started to appear in England c.1751, being the year > that the King issued a Proclaimation announcing that the 1742 > anti-counterfeiting law was to be enforced. > > QUESTION: > Does anyone have any information on English or Irish Evasion coppers of the > 1751-1770 era as to descriptive type, denomination, quantity, circulation > patterns, issuer, dates, etc., etc. > > I would be very appreciative of learning more about Evasion coppers - Irish > and English - of the pre-1771 era. > > THANKS, > > God Bless America > > Brian > > Brian J. Danforth > > e-mail: briandanf@a...
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