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    From: "Byron K. Weston" <bkweston@netzero.net>

    An interesting observation, Brian, but I don't think the coin
    described is what we might consider an Evasion, per se. It is a very
    complex topic and there is a lot of indecision of what may or may not
    be included in the category of Evasions.
    I, myself, do not believe that the manufacturing of (what are
    generally accepted to be Evasions) began until the law of '71 was
    enacted. Of course there may have been a smattering of attempts to
    produce a counterfeit that would sidestep the letter of the law
    before 1771, but that was not spelled out as well as to what that
    might entail as it was in the law of '71.
    Basically, either Peck's statment was speculative or there is some
    loss of meaning in its interpretation, as we Americans and our
    British cousins are separated by a common language. In other words,
    what Peck is saying may not mean the same thing to him as it does to
    us. "Evasions" in his use of the word may have been used as a
    generalization of the word. Evasions as a series of coins produced to
    evade a particular counterfeiting law probably did not come about
    until after 1771.
    Because many of these Evasions use the efigy of Geo.II and/or dates
    going as far back as the 1600's, this only adds to the confusion. I
    think it is important to remember that in 1771 what genuine coinage
    there was in circulation was still Geo.II issues. Of course a good
    portion of coppers were counterfeits as well. Not until the law
    of '71 was an...'organized' effort made to sidestep this particular
    law. The new regal copper coinage was perhaps considered a token
    gesture by the crown and there was still a shortage of genuine
    coppers, especially for the needs at home (England), so various
    manufaturers (tokens and/or buttons) took matters into there own
    hands and produced these coppers that would not violate 'the letter
    of the law' - pun intended!
    Or, at least, this is my current theory of the chronology - which, of
    course, is always subject to change or modification!
    Byron


    --- In colonial-coins@y..., briandanf@a... wrote:
    > Hello one and all,
    >
    > I have been following the general discussions in the group as to
    Evasion
    > coppers. I wish to express my appreciation for all of the
    information that
    > has been shared.
    >
    > I have been conducting research these past few years on Wood's
    Money and the
    > fruits of that effort have appeared in a few articles in C-4 and
    CNL
    > publications.
    > Lately, I have expanded my research focus to the 1756-1766 period,
    which
    > basically pre-dates the era that group discussions have focused
    on.
    >
    > YET, the period that I am researching certainly forms the backdrop
    for the
    > Evasions of 1771 and those that followed.
    >
    > Recently, in reading the English papers of 1758, I came across a
    very
    > interesting discussion on an English Evasion copper. The coin in
    question
    > was described as follows:
    >
    > obverse: bust - Queen Mary II
    > legend - MARIA II DEI GRA (no punctuation marks)
    > reverse: imprint of a four leaf stemmed rose (somewhat similar
    to the
    >
    Rosa
    > Americana coin)
    > legend - EXCANDORE (no punctuations marks) in
    the
    > article's text, the
    > author stated
    the
    > legend as " EX CANDORE"
    > although the
    coin's
    > drawing had no spacing
    > between the
    letters
    >
    >
    > In C. Wilson Peck's book entitled: English Copper, Tin and Bronze
    Coins, he
    > stated that Evasion coins started to appear in England c.1751,
    being the year
    > that the King issued a Proclaimation announcing that the 1742
    > anti-counterfeiting law was to be enforced.
    >
    > QUESTION:
    > Does anyone have any information on English or Irish Evasion
    coppers of the
    > 1751-1770 era as to descriptive type, denomination, quantity,
    circulation
    > patterns, issuer, dates, etc., etc.
    >
    > I would be very appreciative of learning more about Evasion
    coppers - Irish
    > and English - of the pre-1771 era.
    >
    > THANKS,
    >
    > God Bless America
    >
    > Brian
    >
    > Brian J. Danforth
    >
    > e-mail: briandanf@a...

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