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Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:46:04 -0400
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
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Hi John!
Does the screw press have any history or pedigree? Was it used at any
specific mints?
Ray W
----- Original Message -----
From: "njcopperjohn" <jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com>
To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:08 AM
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
> Stan-I was over Bill's house recently and he did invite me down into
> his basement and I must say I was impressed with the scewpress. Its a
> floor type but I was expecting more of a smaller table-top model.
>
> Once the auction starts anyone wishing photos can E-Mail me if you
> choose to examine the RR40 or 1770 issues more closely with your own
> photo-imaging system. He brought a pair of 1770's with similar die
> characterstics to the RR40 as mentioned in the Forgotten Book. He
> will decide tonight if one or both go into this offering.
>
> I will mention someone in Pennsylvania may be interested in the
> 1770's individually if only "one" of these 1770's is offered with the
> RR40.
>
> JPL.
>
>
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@y..., "kay" <kschlemm@a...> wrote:
> > Yeaaah...........!
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stan Stephens
> > To: colonial-coins@y...
> > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
> >
> >
> > Reproduced from "The Gentleman's Magazine" Vol. 54 (1784)
> > "Corrections: p. 151 - 'the two English pennies of Richard I.
> prove to be spurious...
> >
> > These pennies are thought to be the fabrications of a certain
> collector, notorious in this way, and who must suppose that to
> embarrass the path of any science with forgery and futility Implies
> no Infamy...
> > '
> > The crime is certainly greater than that which leads the common
> coiner to the gallows, inasmuch as it Is committed with more ease,
> and the profit is incomparably larger. The person above hinted at may
> therefore rest assured that, when his death shall have rendered the
> mention of his name safe and free from cruelty, not all his good
> qualities will prevent its being delivered to posterity with
> perpetual contempt and obloquy'; 4 pp. 521-23 and n.
> >
> > 4) This forecast referring to the reputation of John White of
> Newgate-Street, proved accurate, as he Is generally referred to today
> as 'notorious' for his forgeries. See 1756, 64 n."
> >
> > "It's the same old story, same old song and dance,.... my friend"
> > Areosmith
> >
> > Stan
> >
> >
> > njcopperjohn wrote:
> >
> > When I started to post the comments on Sunday I was not very
> clear
> > (obviously) on what Bill meant by "AS IS" in his original
> description
> > on the coin that he asked me to post word by word (his exact
> words)
> > this coming Sunday. Usually he gives me the freedom to change
> around
> > wording as I see fit. Not in this case. He feels since the coin
> was
> > already sold by a major auction house in 1988, since the RR40
> has
> > been written about in the Forgotten book, since he feels this
> is a
> > $45,000 today, since he feels that at $9,750 someone "in the
> know" is
> > a getting a steal - its being offered "AS IS" with a no return
> policy.
> > What else can I say. The buyer has to ask himself "Would Bill
> Anton
> > offer a $9,750 coin for sale if he felt it was not genuine?
> > Some people really appreciate some of the coins Bill owns. Some
> are
> > jealous. Some are envious. Some do not care. Some ...
> > Come Sunday Bill is saying you are getting a coin for possibly
> $9,750
> > that brought $16,000 in 1988. It was returned by the buyer
> after six
> > weeks as a forgery in 1988. We beg to differ. Its an
> experiment. Will
> > the new era of knowledge prevail or since it was a forgery in
> 1988 it
> > is still a forgery in 2002. Would Bill intentionally and
> publically
> > offer a forgery on E-Bay through me to purposely rip-off a
> fellow C-
> > 4'er???
> > It does not get any better than this Ray! Its only a hobby and
> this
> > is just entertainment.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In colonial-coins@y..., Ray Williams <njraywms@o...> wrote:
> > > Hi John!
> > > I've been having a good laugh this AM at the opening
> posts.
> > These guys
> > > have a sense of humor. Seriously John, by removing the
> guarantee
> > from the
> > > coin, I feel that it shows a lack of confidence in this coin
> by
> > both you and
> > > Bill. Even if there has been an interest by serious
> collectors
> > privately,
> > > why would that be a reason to change your mind about the
> > guarantee? Also, I
> > > agree with Mike H that the gaurantee to begin with seemed
> > impossible to
> > > collect on... If it was proved that the coin was
> counterfeit, it
> > would be
> > > next to impossible to prove that it is a recent fabrication.
> You
> > do tend to
> > > gravitate toward controversial coins John. This Ryder 40
> sure has
> > livened
> > > up the conversation on this group... for a while I was
> wondering if
> > my
> > > computer was receiving any posts.
> > >
> > > Ray W
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@o...>
> > > To: <colonial-coins@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 7:19 AM
> > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
> > >
> > >
> > > > I will ask Bill and post soon. JPL.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In colonial-coins@y..., ershye@a... wrote:
> > > > > Hi John. You have yet to answer Eric's question about
> which
> > > > university holds
> > > > > an example of the "Ryder-40". By chance it wouldn't be
> > McDonald's
> > > > Hamburger
> > > > > University where it is on display for their students to
> see what
> > > > the precise
> > > > > size of a pickle slice should be? <g>
> > > > >
> > > > > Ed
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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