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Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
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No it was privately purchased and constructed in Lodi, NJ and can
produce if necessary approximately one Ryder 40 every 2.33 years.
This is based on market studies and cash avaialbilities per State
coinage.
Rumor has it P.T.Quigley has been known to help cut some of the dies
used in the screwpress. Its been in operation since 1955. Its human-
driven as clean-up after the initial trial periods utilizing horses
and mules became an annoyance particularly in the summer months.
Yes-I tried it myself a few times, the work is very laborious but the
perks are quite profitable at times as you can imagine.
The output of material is not tied down to any particular coinage as
there are alot collectors out there with the same amount of knowledge
and outlooks as in 1988. Additionally, almost all new collectors
follow some pre-determined so-called expert so these suckers are also
good targets for these Lodi mint products.
--- In colonial-coins@y..., Ray Williams <njraywms@o...> wrote:
> Hi John!
> Does the screw press have any history or pedigree? Was it used
at any
> specific mints?
>
> Ray W
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "njcopperjohn" <jlorenzo@o...>
> To: <colonial-coins@y...>
> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 11:08 AM
> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
>
>
> > Stan-I was over Bill's house recently and he did invite me down
into
> > his basement and I must say I was impressed with the scewpress.
Its a
> > floor type but I was expecting more of a smaller table-top model.
> >
> > Once the auction starts anyone wishing photos can E-Mail me if you
> > choose to examine the RR40 or 1770 issues more closely with your
own
> > photo-imaging system. He brought a pair of 1770's with similar die
> > characterstics to the RR40 as mentioned in the Forgotten Book. He
> > will decide tonight if one or both go into this offering.
> >
> > I will mention someone in Pennsylvania may be interested in the
> > 1770's individually if only "one" of these 1770's is offered with
the
> > RR40.
> >
> > JPL.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In colonial-coins@y..., "kay" <kschlemm@a...> wrote:
> > > Yeaaah...........!
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Stan Stephens
> > > To: colonial-coins@y...
> > > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 10:03 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
> > >
> > >
> > > Reproduced from "The Gentleman's Magazine" Vol. 54 (1784)
> > > "Corrections: p. 151 - 'the two English pennies of Richard I.
> > prove to be spurious...
> > >
> > > These pennies are thought to be the fabrications of a certain
> > collector, notorious in this way, and who must suppose that to
> > embarrass the path of any science with forgery and futility
Implies
> > no Infamy...
> > > '
> > > The crime is certainly greater than that which leads the
common
> > coiner to the gallows, inasmuch as it Is committed with more ease,
> > and the profit is incomparably larger. The person above hinted at
may
> > therefore rest assured that, when his death shall have rendered
the
> > mention of his name safe and free from cruelty, not all his good
> > qualities will prevent its being delivered to posterity with
> > perpetual contempt and obloquy'; 4 pp. 521-23 and n.
> > >
> > > 4) This forecast referring to the reputation of John White of
> > Newgate-Street, proved accurate, as he Is generally referred to
today
> > as 'notorious' for his forgeries. See 1756, 64 n."
> > >
> > > "It's the same old story, same old song and dance,.... my
friend"
> > > Areosmith
> > >
> > > Stan
> > >
> > >
> > > njcopperjohn wrote:
> > >
> > > When I started to post the comments on Sunday I was not
very
> > clear
> > > (obviously) on what Bill meant by "AS IS" in his original
> > description
> > > on the coin that he asked me to post word by word (his exact
> > words)
> > > this coming Sunday. Usually he gives me the freedom to
change
> > around
> > > wording as I see fit. Not in this case. He feels since the
coin
> > was
> > > already sold by a major auction house in 1988, since the
RR40
> > has
> > > been written about in the Forgotten book, since he feels
this
> > is a
> > > $45,000 today, since he feels that at $9,750 someone "in the
> > know" is
> > > a getting a steal - its being offered "AS IS" with a no
return
> > policy.
> > > What else can I say. The buyer has to ask himself "Would
Bill
> > Anton
> > > offer a $9,750 coin for sale if he felt it was not genuine?
> > > Some people really appreciate some of the coins Bill owns.
Some
> > are
> > > jealous. Some are envious. Some do not care. Some ...
> > > Come Sunday Bill is saying you are getting a coin for
possibly
> > $9,750
> > > that brought $16,000 in 1988. It was returned by the buyer
> > after six
> > > weeks as a forgery in 1988. We beg to differ. Its an
> > experiment. Will
> > > the new era of knowledge prevail or since it was a forgery
in
> > 1988 it
> > > is still a forgery in 2002. Would Bill intentionally and
> > publically
> > > offer a forgery on E-Bay through me to purposely rip-off a
> > fellow C-
> > > 4'er???
> > > It does not get any better than this Ray! Its only a hobby
and
> > this
> > > is just entertainment.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@y..., Ray Williams <njraywms@o...>
wrote:
> > > > Hi John!
> > > > I've been having a good laugh this AM at the opening
> > posts.
> > > These guys
> > > > have a sense of humor. Seriously John, by removing the
> > guarantee
> > > from the
> > > > coin, I feel that it shows a lack of confidence in this
coin
> > by
> > > both you and
> > > > Bill. Even if there has been an interest by serious
> > collectors
> > > privately,
> > > > why would that be a reason to change your mind about the
> > > guarantee? Also, I
> > > > agree with Mike H that the gaurantee to begin with seemed
> > > impossible to
> > > > collect on... If it was proved that the coin was
> > counterfeit, it
> > > would be
> > > > next to impossible to prove that it is a recent
fabrication.
> > You
> > > do tend to
> > > > gravitate toward controversial coins John. This Ryder 40
> > sure has
> > > livened
> > > > up the conversation on this group... for a while I was
> > wondering if
> > > my
> > > > computer was receiving any posts.
> > > >
> > > > Ray W
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@o...>
> > > > To: <colonial-coins@y...>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 7:19 AM
> > > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: "RR40" on eBay......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I will ask Bill and post soon. JPL.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In colonial-coins@y..., ershye@a... wrote:
> > > > > > Hi John. You have yet to answer Eric's question about
> > which
> > > > > university holds
> > > > > > an example of the "Ryder-40". By chance it wouldn't be
> > > McDonald's
> > > > > Hamburger
> > > > > > University where it is on display for their students
to
> > see what
> > > > > the precise
> > > > > > size of a pickle slice should be? <g>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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