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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:45:31 -0400
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Two items: Mott & Boulton
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Hi Stan!
That's a good thought but I don't know the logistics of sharing and making copies of this document. John, Are there any restrictions placed on us making copies...
Ray W
----- Original Message -----
From: Stan Stephens
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Two items: Mott & Boulton
I have taken the liberty of emailing Harold Welch the librarian for CTCC to see if they have an interest in this thesis on Boulton. Perhaps we can save a little money if we go in together on this acquisition if C4 decides to buy a copy for our library. I am awaiting his reply.
Stan
njcopperjohn wrote:
The cost of 70 pounds includes shipping to the U.S.. I will send you
by snail mail the order form to be filled out if its approved by C4
to the University of Birmingham. In terms of C4 the importance of
this reference source is as follows:
1. The workings of Boulton is very sketchy in his earlier days before
Droz the famous engraver joined him. This reference may supply
additional links to certain operations that may have produced some
copper coins,medals or other issues we collect as English imported
colonials.
2. One example from (1) above is the RI Ship token. Perhaps there is
some information with Boulton dealing with Dutch authorities in this
UNIQUE reference source.
3. Conders were something Boulton involved himself heavily into in
terms of supplying copper. Any C4 member collecting these issues
would find this source invaluable for research or at least find it as
a fresh new reference. There is a whole section on Copper Coinage in
this thesis. True, probably all of it is Conder related, but then
again ...
4. This reference may supply direct evidence on what time period the
greatest force involving copper coinage production in England at this
time started to strike his own coinage and when he started to supply
copper to other parties for striking coins. Was it in the mid-late
1780's or earlier???
5. Any C4 collector that collects medals on the side would LOVE to
read this reference, right my next door neighbor MR. (C4)Allendale,
NJ????
Later....
--- In colonial-coins@y..., Ray Williams <njraywms@o...> wrote:
> Hi Tom!
> Will you be going near this university on your trip? And would
you be
> willing to bring the material back? Also John, please email why
you think
> this expenditure is justified for the library and the general
content of
> this work in a form I can give to the board. Thanks,
> Ray
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "THOMAS F. MADIGAN, III-" <madcoins@e...>
> To: <colonial-coins@y...>
> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 1:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Two items: Mott & Boulton
>
>
> > 70 Pounds Sterling is merely $135.00 or thereabouts. I will be
flying to
> > England soon - perhaps I can expedite this matter, such as
picking it up
> and
> > ferrying it back to the U.S.
> > Let me know...
> > Tom
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ray Williams" <njraywms@o...>
> > To: <colonial-coins@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:55 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Two items: Mott & Boulton
> >
> >
> > > Hi John!
> > > Please send me the costs of the copying and estimated
shipping
> > charges,
> > > along with a description of the contents and why it is
worthwhile, and
> > I'll
> > > submit your email to the board for approval. With respect to
the tape
> of
> > > your talk at ANA, I think it would be better if it goes to the
Librarian
> > > (Leo Shane) rather than the C4 Secretary. I'll CC him this
email so he
> > > knows you are looking for him.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ray
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@o...>
> > > To: <colonial-coins@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:58 PM
> > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Two items: Mott & Boulton
> > >
> > >
> > > > The tape of my presentation at the ANA for the Mott Token
arrived
> > > > today. I promised the C4 Secretary I would mail a
complimentary copy
> > > > for C4. E-Mail me your address and will send it out to you. I
lost
> > > > your previous send.
> > > >
> > > > The second item is that the PhD Cule thesis on the "Financial
History
> > > > of Matthew Boulton." The cost to xerrox this unique document
for C4
> > > > use is 70 pounds as Ray you requested an exact copying cost.
Since
> > > > for years we have contemplated other than the Vermont book on
an
> > > > expenditure worthwhile --- well here is another one in my
opinion. If
> > > > its YES after the C4 Meeting let me know.
> > > > The payment must be made in sterling so this may have an extra
> > > > charge??? The University of Birmingham houses this document
and will
> > > > xerrox this document.
> > > > The Table of Contents has been previously posted.
> > > >
> > > > Later...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Stan!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> That's a good thought but I
don't know the logistics of sharing and making copies of this document.
John, Are there any restrictions placed on us making copies...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ray W</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=sstephens@hsc.wvu.edu href="mailto:sstephens@hsc.wvu.edu">Stan
Stephens</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 11, 2002 2:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Two
items: Mott & Boulton</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>I have taken the liberty of emailing Harold Welch the librarian
for CTCC to see if they have an interest in this thesis on Boulton. Perhaps we
can save a little money if we go in together on this acquisition if C4 decides
to buy a copy for our library. I am awaiting his reply. <BR>Stan
<P>njcopperjohn wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE"> <TT>The cost of 70 pounds includes shipping to
the U.S.. I will send you</TT> <BR><TT>by snail mail the order form to be
filled out if its approved by C4</TT> <BR><TT>to the University of
Birmingham. In terms of C4 the importance of</TT> <BR><TT>this reference
source is as follows:</TT> <BR><TT>1. The workings of Boulton is very
sketchy in his earlier days before</TT> <BR><TT>Droz the famous engraver
joined him. This reference may supply</TT> <BR><TT>additional links to
certain operations that may have produced some</TT> <BR><TT>copper
coins,medals or other issues we collect as English imported</TT>
<BR><TT>colonials.</TT> <BR><TT>2. One example from (1) above is the RI Ship
token. Perhaps there is</TT> <BR><TT>some information with Boulton dealing
with Dutch authorities in this</TT> <BR><TT>UNIQUE reference source.</TT>
<BR><TT>3. Conders were something Boulton involved himself heavily into
in</TT> <BR><TT>terms of supplying copper. Any C4 member collecting these
issues</TT> <BR><TT>would find this source invaluable for research or at
least find it as</TT> <BR><TT>a fresh new reference. There is a whole
section on Copper Coinage in</TT> <BR><TT>this thesis. True, probably all of
it is Conder related, but then</TT> <BR><TT>again ...</TT> <BR><TT>4. This
reference may supply direct evidence on what time period the</TT>
<BR><TT>greatest force involving copper coinage production in England at
this</TT> <BR><TT>time started to strike his own coinage and when he started
to supply</TT> <BR><TT>copper to other parties for striking coins. Was it in
the mid-late</TT> <BR><TT>1780's or earlier???</TT> <BR><TT>5. Any C4
collector that collects medals on the side would LOVE to</TT> <BR><TT>read
this reference, right my next door neighbor MR. (C4)Allendale,</TT>
<BR><TT>NJ????</TT>
<P><TT>Later....</TT> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>
<BR>
<P><TT>--- In colonial-coins@y..., Ray Williams <njraywms@o...>
wrote:</TT> <BR><TT>> Hi Tom!</TT> <BR><TT>>
Will you be going near this university on your trip? And would</TT>
<BR><TT>you be</TT> <BR><TT>> willing to bring the material
back? Also John, please email why</TT> <BR><TT>you think</TT>
<BR><TT>> this expenditure is justified for the library and the
general</TT> <BR><TT>content of</TT> <BR><TT>> this work in a form I can
give to the board. Thanks,</TT> <BR><TT>> Ray</TT>
<BR><TT>></TT> <BR><TT>></TT> <BR><TT>> ----- Original Message
-----</TT> <BR><TT>> From: "THOMAS F. MADIGAN, III-"
<madcoins@e...></TT> <BR><TT>> To: <colonial-coins@y...></TT>
<BR><TT>> Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 1:04 AM</TT> <BR><TT>>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Two items: Mott & Boulton</TT>
<BR><TT>></TT> <BR><TT>></TT> <BR><TT>> > 70 Pounds Sterling is
merely $135.00 or thereabouts. I will be</TT> <BR><TT>flying to</TT>
<BR><TT>> > England soon - perhaps I can expedite this matter, such
as</TT> <BR><TT>picking it up</TT> <BR><TT>> and</TT> <BR><TT>> >
ferrying it back to the U.S.</TT> <BR><TT>> > Let me know...</TT>
<BR><TT>> > Tom</TT> <BR><TT>> > ----- Original Message
-----</TT> <BR><TT>> > From: "Ray Williams" <njraywms@o...></TT>
<BR><TT>> > To: <colonial-coins@y...></TT> <BR><TT>> >
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:55 PM</TT> <BR><TT>> > Subject: Re:
[Colonial Numismatics] Two items: Mott & Boulton</TT> <BR><TT>>
></TT> <BR><TT>> ></TT> <BR><TT>> > > Hi John!</TT>
<BR><TT>> > > Please send me the costs of
the copying and estimated</TT> <BR><TT>shipping</TT> <BR><TT>> >
charges,</TT> <BR><TT>> > > along with a description of the
contents and why it is</TT> <BR><TT>worthwhile, and</TT> <BR><TT>> >
I'll</TT> <BR><TT>> > > submit your email to the board for
approval. With respect to</TT> <BR><TT>the tape</TT> <BR><TT>>
of</TT> <BR><TT>> > > your talk at ANA, I think it would be better
if it goes to the</TT> <BR><TT>Librarian</TT> <BR><TT>> > > (Leo
Shane) rather than the C4 Secretary. I'll CC him this</TT>
<BR><TT>email so he</TT> <BR><TT>> > > knows you are looking for
him.</TT> <BR><TT>> > ></TT> <BR><TT>> > > Thanks,</TT>
<BR><TT>> > > Ray</TT> <BR><TT>> > ></TT> <BR><TT>>
> ></TT> <BR><TT>> > > ----- Original Message -----</TT>
<BR><TT>> > > From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@o...></TT>
<BR><TT>> > > To: <colonial-coins@y...></TT> <BR><TT>>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:58 PM</TT> <BR><TT>> >
> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Two items: Mott & Boulton</TT>
<BR><TT>> > ></TT> <BR><TT>> > ></TT> <BR><TT>> >
> > The tape of my presentation at the ANA for the Mott Token</TT>
<BR><TT>arrived</TT> <BR><TT>> > > > today. I promised the C4
Secretary I would mail a</TT> <BR><TT>complimentary copy</TT> <BR><TT>>
> > > for C4. E-Mail me your address and will send it out to you.
I</TT> <BR><TT>lost</TT> <BR><TT>> > > > your previous
send.</TT> <BR><TT>> > > ></TT> <BR><TT>> > > > The
second item is that the PhD Cule thesis on the "Financial</TT>
<BR><TT>History</TT> <BR><TT>> > > > of Matthew Boulton." The
cost to xerrox this unique document</TT> <BR><TT>for C4</TT> <BR><TT>>
> > > use is 70 pounds as Ray you requested an exact copying
cost.</TT> <BR><TT>Since</TT> <BR><TT>> > > > for years we have
contemplated other than the Vermont book on</TT> <BR><TT>an</TT>
<BR><TT>> > > > expenditure worthwhile --- well here is another
one in my</TT> <BR><TT>opinion. If</TT> <BR><TT>> > > > its YES
after the C4 Meeting let me know.</TT> <BR><TT>> > > > The
payment must be made in sterling so this may have an extra</TT> <BR><TT>>
> > > charge??? The University of Birmingham houses this
document</TT> <BR><TT>and will</TT> <BR><TT>> > > > xerrox this
document.</TT> <BR><TT>> > > > The Table of Contents has been
previously posted.</TT> <BR><TT>> > > ></TT> <BR><TT>> >
> > Later...</TT> <BR><TT>> > > ></TT> <BR><TT>> >
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