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Subject: Re: Willow/NE Shilling is Phony
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Roger:
I suspect the fake was made fairly recently, within the past few
months and almsot certainly to capitalize on the Hain sale
phenomenon.
It definitely was made to deceive and it did its job all too well.
Mike H
-- In colonial-coins@y..., "mantoloking2002"
<mantoloking2002@y...> wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Pretty deceptive counterfeit. Seeing the Willow, I can now see
it
> more on the reverse than the obverse of the overstruck piece.
Do you
> have a sense of about when it was struck as the published piece
seems
> clearly made to deceive. A copy for representation purposes of
a NE
> or Willow Tree piece is one thing....but a unique overstrike.
>
> THANKS for the quick heads up.
>
> Roger S.
>
> --- In colonial-coins@y..., mike hodder <mhodder@t...> wrote:
> > The Willow Tree Shilling struck over a New England Shilling
that I
> > published recently is fake. About a week ago, I saw an
obviously
> > counterfeit Willow Tree shilling that was struck from the
same
> > dies as seen on the overstrike. If the Willow is fake the
> > overstrike has to be fake, too, and I'm guessing the New
England
> > shilling undertype is fake, as well.
> >
> > I've uploaded jpg illustrations of the fake Willow Tree
Shilling
> > and the fake Willow/NE overstrike. If you compare the two,
you'll
> > see they were struck from the same false Willow dies.What the
> > illustrations won't show is that the Willow coin is evenly
thick
> > everywhere , shows no signs of the S-bend from having been
> > struck on a rocker press, and the edge shows it was made from
> > modern, machine rolled strip.
> >
> > By themselves, the Willow Tree Shilling dies are not really
> > deceptive. The shilling I saw last week is on a non-deceptive
> > flan, too, being too round, too evenly thick, and it has a
> > rounded edge. I'm assuming the NE punches would also be
> > non-decepetive and an NE flan made by this counterfeiter
would
> > also not be confused with the genuine. I don't think
> > sophisticated collectors would be fooled by these fake dies.
> > Beginners might, and I would not be surprised to see one or
more
> > of these in non-specialist dealers cases at shows.
> >
> > More deceptive is the overstrike. It fooled me and some
others.
> > The flan was bent the way one would expect it to be, the edge
> > raised no concerns, and the way the Willow and NE designs
were
> > blurred by the overstriking made them appear correct. The
weight
> > was high, especially for a holed coin, but not outside the
range
> > of observed weights for Massachusetts shillings.
> >
> > The counterfeiter appears to be clever and experienced with
> > Massachusetts silver coins. His Willow/NE overstrike was
designed
> > to fit into the known typological sequence and to represent a
> > coin whose existence might not be unexpected. He also
realized
> > thatmaking such an overstrike gave him a unique coin which,
if it
> > were accepted as genuine, would be very valuable.
> >
> > I owe collectors an apology for my mistake, particularly Lou
> > Jordan and the other staff of the Colonial Newsletter, who
> > published the coin as genuine.
> >
> >
> > Mike Hodder
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