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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Ensolve
Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:30:59 -0800
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From: "THOMAS F. MADIGAN, III-" <madcoins@earthlink.net>
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Re: [Colonial Numismatics] EnsolveDan - I haven't the faintest idea what th=
is stuff is composed of, other than its supposed to be made from naturally =
occuring ingredients. Perhaps the ingredients aren't listed because it is P=
atent Pending and they don't want to give the formula away. There is a slig=
ht smell of something that reminds you of vinegar, but its not vinegar. It =
is mildly astringent and non-toxic. I am VERY sensitive to chemical smells =
and this stuff does not bother me at all. I once put my hand in the bucket =
to get something out and I had a tiny cut in my palm, and felt an irritatio=
n so I rinsed it off quickly.
I'm not a chemist either and I don't know HOW it works, other than it disso=
lves the layer of stuff that lies between the corrosion you see and the ori=
ginal surface.
I guess that if they promoted it to museums they'd not sell too much of it,=
so they promote for industrial use.=20
Long-term coin use? Only time will tell. It leaves the surfaces really dry,=
just like Xylene, which is why I recommend coating the coins with somethin=
g: silicone, Blue Ribbon. The other point, of course, is that one would onl=
y use it on corroded coins to halt further corrosion and thus preserve the =
coin. Or to lighten a very dark coin. There is a dip for this which turns t=
he coins orange(I ruined some Wheat-backs some 30 years ago using that stuf=
f). With En-Zolve you take it out when it looks "better" and rinse it off t=
o halt further changes. You can also treat a spot on a coin by dripping a d=
rop onto the spot and repeating as necessary.
One would do this to clear a spot on an otherwise nice coin where the origi=
nal color and patina should be preserved intact.
No two coins are alike and one would exercise good judgement in treating an=
ything on a coin.
The whole subject of "cleaning" is, to a degree, controversial. Thousands o=
f nice coins have been ruined by "cleaning". Copper is particularly tricky =
as we all know. Look at Rob's comment to my announcement about En-Zolve. Ma=
ny people freak out at the concept of a "cleaned" coin, yet most EAC and C4=
members have no qualms about taking Xylene to an old copper and removing t=
he crud, because we know that the crud is corrosive and will eventually des=
troy the coin! So - the coin must be treated so as to preserve it. Heck - I=
even cleaned my Lincolns one day! And I've used Xylene to remove crud from=
my Bust dimes and half-dimes and English silver trade tokens.
Tom
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dan Freidus=20
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Ensolve
I read your posts. I meant "what is it", i.e. what is it made of. Havse=
you found out anything about it? I went to their web site and see their d=
escription but they give you no idea whether this is an acid, a strong base=
, or vinegar mixed half and half with jello (which would be biodegradeable =
and nontoxic in the right does, so it's possible). I'm not a chemist but i=
t's unlcear to me what could remove corrosion (most of which is oxidized me=
tal, so you'd need a reducing agent of some sort) but meet all their other =
descriptions. The fact that they use it not in a museum conservation setti=
ng but designed it for industrial cleaning of metal (such as car restoratio=
n as you mentioned) makes me a bit leery of its long-term safety for coins.
Dan
At 3:53 PM -0800 12/14/02, THOMAS F. MADIGAN, III wrote:
En-Zolve.
See the posts below
It dissolves corrosion from iron, steel, copper and brass.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Freidus
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Ensolve
TOm,
What is this stuff?
THanks,
Dan
At 12:12 PM -0800 12/14/02, THOMAS F. MADIGAN, III wrote:
Hi Mark!
Please send $6.00 to:
THOMAS MADIGAN
PO BOX 668121
MIAMI, FL, 3166-8121
and I'll mail you a 4oz pot.
I have a granular NJ on eBay right now that was considerably light=
ened up
using this stuff.
Merry Christmas,
Tom
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dan - I haven't the faintest idea what thi=
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ingredients. Perhaps the ingredients aren't listed because it is Patent Pen=
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and they don't want to give the formula away. There is a slight smell of=20
something that reminds you of vinegar, but its not vinegar. It is mildly=20
astringent and non-toxic. I am VERY sensitive to chemical smells and this=20
stuff does not bother me at all. I once put my hand in the bucket to g=
et=20
something out and I had a tiny cut in my palm, and felt an irritation so I=
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rinsed it off quickly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm not a chemist either and I don't know =
HOW it=20
works, other than it dissolves the layer of stuff that lies between the=20
corrosion you see and the original surface.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I guess that if they promoted it to museum=
s they'd=20
not sell too much of it, so they promote for industrial=20
use. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Long-term coin use? Only time will tell. I=
t leaves=20
the surfaces really dry, just like Xylene, which is why I recommend coating=
the=20
coins with something: silicone, Blue Ribbon. The other point, of course, is=
that=20
one would only use it on corroded coins to halt further corrosion and thus=
=20
preserve the coin. Or to lighten a very dark coin. There is a dip for this =
which=20
turns the coins orange(I ruined some Wheat-backs some 30 years ago using th=
at=20
stuff). With En-Zolve you take it out when it looks "better" and rinse it o=
ff to=20
halt further changes. You can also treat a spot on a coin by dripping a dro=
p=20
onto the spot and repeating as necessary.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One would do this to clear a spot on an ot=
herwise=20
nice coin where the original color and patina should be preserved=20
intact.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>No two coins are alike and one would exerc=
ise good=20
judgement in treating anything on a coin.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The whole subject of "cleaning" is, to a d=
egree,=20
controversial. Thousands of nice coins have been ruined by "cleaning". Copp=
er is=20
particularly tricky as we all know. Look at Rob's comment to my announcemen=
t=20
about En-Zolve. Many people freak out at the concept of a "cleaned" coin, y=
et=20
most EAC and C4 members have no qualms about taking Xylene to an old copper=
and=20
removing the crud, because we know that the crud is corrosive and will=20
eventually destroy the coin! So - the coin must be treated so as to preserv=
e it.=20
Heck - I even cleaned my Lincolns one day! And I've used Xylene to remove c=
rud=20
from my Bust dimes and half-dimes and English silver=20
trade tokens.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>Fro=
m:</B>=20
<A title=3Dfreidus@wwnet.net href=3D"mailto:freidus@wwnet.net">Dan Freidu=
s</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Dcolonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups=
.com</A>=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 14, 2002 =
1:58=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Colonial Numismatics=
]=20
Ensolve</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I read your posts. I meant "what is it", i.e. what is it made=
=20
of. Havse you found out anything about it? I went to their we=
b=20
site and see their description but they give you no idea whether this is =
an=20
acid, a strong base, or vinegar mixed half and half with jello (which wou=
ld be=20
biodegradeable and nontoxic in the right does, so it's possible). I=
'm=20
not a chemist but it's unlcear to me what could remove corrosion (most of=
=20
which is oxidized metal, so you'd need a reducing agent of some sort) but=
meet=20
all their other descriptions. The fact that they use it not in a mu=
seum=20
conservation setting but designed it for industrial cleaning of metal (su=
ch as=20
car restoration as you mentioned) makes me a bit leery of its long-term s=
afety=20
for coins.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Dan</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>At 3:53 PM -0800 12/14/02, THOMAS F. MADIGAN, III wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D-1>En-Zolve.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D-1>See the =
posts=20
below</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D-1>It disso=
lves=20
corrosion from iron, steel, copper and brass.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><FONT face=3DArial size=3D-1>Tom</FON=
T><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>----- Original Message -----</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B>From:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:freidus@wwnet.net">Dan=20
Freidus</A></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B>To:</B> <A=20
href=3D"mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogr=
oups.com</A></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, December 14, 2002 9:35 AM</BLOCKQUOT=
E>
<BLOCKQUOTE><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Ensolve</BLOCKQU=
OTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>TOm,</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>What is this stuff?</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>THanks,</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>Dan</BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>At 12:12 PM -0800 12/14/02, THOMAS F. MADIGAN, III wrote:<B=
R>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><TT>Hi Mark!<BR>Please send $6.00=
=20
to:<BR>THOMAS MADIGAN<BR>PO BOX 668121<BR>MIAMI, FL, 3166-8121<BR>a=
nd=20
I'll mail you a 4oz pot.<BR>I have a granular NJ on eBay right now=
=20
that was considerably lightened up<BR>using this stuff.<BR>Me=
rry=20
Christmas,</TT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE>
<BLOCKQUOTE><TT>Tom</TT><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE>
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