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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] George Selgin
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From: Morris Hankins <joshalso2000@yahoo.com>
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The statement that CAST BLANKS were common and once
struck takes on most of the normal attributes of a
normal coin characteristics is why I am so interested
in Ray Turcottes work with XRF.
Morris
--- "dp1787 <palmers4@erols.com>" <palmers4@erols.com>
wrote:
> Jack, One of the things I think I gleaned from the
> Selgin paper, is
> that cast BLANKS were common, not necessarily cast
> counterfeits.
> Once struck, a cast blank takes on many of the
> normal coin
> characteristics, not all, but many. Stan Stephens
> would probably be
> the maven on that subject. Stan? comments? David
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Jack Howes
> <jackhowes@y...>"
> <jackhowes@y...> wrote:
> > >From: rg5turc@a...
> > >Date: Sun Dec 22, 2002 10:05 am
> > >Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] George
> Selgin
> >
> > >Hi Jack,
> >
> > >Thanks for posting this site as the reading is
> very interesting.
> One
> > >question is why do you feel the cost of producing
> cast
> counterfeits
> > >not to be less expensive then struck
> counterfeits? I would be
> > >interested in your comments!
> >
> > >Ray T.
> >
> > Ray,
> >
> > My opinion is based on limited data and that it
> seems to square
> with
> > what we see 200 years later.
> >
> > Anton says (page 31, Forgotten Coins of the North
> American
> Colonies)
> > that casting, "was entirely unsuitable from the
> standpoints of mass
> > manufacture and quality of execution." He futher
> says that his
> > sampling of populations indicate a ratio of about
> 60 to 1 struck to
> > cast.
> >
> > The only hoard that I have seen documented (and I
> have not looked
> hard
> > for this kind of thing yet) is in Smith, (George
> III Counterfeit
> > Halfpenny Series, COAC95, page 51) a find of 325
> defaced halfpence,
> > one of which was cast.
> >
> > Also I see very few cast counterfeits for sale
> (although this is
> > qualitative since I have not been counting).
> >
> > This is why I was surprised that Selgin indicates
> that casting was
> > easy and cheap. He also indicates that cast
> counterfeits were
> common
> > throughout the 18th century and has a period
> reference that I do
> not
> > have access to immediately -- Colquhoun, 1800, pg
> 178.
> >
> > If cast counterfeits were common in the 18th
> century I would expect
> > them to be common in hoards and in collections.
> >
> > It seems to me that casting might be easy and
> cheaper than
> striking to
> > make a few but does not seem to me to be a process
> that scales up
> well
> > otherwise mints would look more like foundaries.
> (But I have been
> > known to be wrong about all kinds of things and
> would not rule that
> > out this case either.)
> >
> > Jack
>
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