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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:08:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Fun with Grades
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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
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Roy,
Good idea. If you remind me shortly before the convention, we'll do it.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Bonjour" <r.bonjour@worldnet.att.net>
To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Fun with Grades
> I've been thinking about grading for some time. I won't bore you with my
> opinions, but have an idea. At the Nov 2003 C4 Convention someone (Ray)
> should bring in three coins (probably NJ, since all of the email traffic
> seems to indicate that they are the flavor of the period). Set up a table
at
> the rear and allow those interested, to secretly grade each coin on a
> provided ballot. The results will be announced at the end of the meeting.
> Let's have the "experts" grade the coins. Should be interesting!
> Roy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jagre@attbi.com>
> To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 7:41 PM
> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Fun with Grades
>
>
> > Byron -
> >
> > I agree with that.
> >
> > But what bothers me about the present situation is not the wide variety
of
> > equally valid opinions (I accept that), its the element of 'when I'm
> selling it its
> > an AU, when I'm buying it its a VF' mentality that I find to be so
> distasteful and
> > one of the very worst parts of our hobby.
> >
> > Speaking for myself, whatever opinion I hold of a coin I honestly
believe
> it will
> > be the same whether I'm buying or selling it.
> >
> > The other thing I find noteworthy in this situation is that while PCGS
can
> be
> > criticized for many things (its a Camel Head!), they do have the
capacity
> to
> > eliminate some (but not all) of this sellers / buyer 'bias'.
> >
> > John Agre
> >
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Byron K. Weston <bkweston@l...>"
<
> > bkweston@l...> wrote:
> > > There's an old saying about opinions, Eric, that I don't think I need
> > > to repeat here.<s> That's why I've only ever relied upon my own -
> > > perhaps that is your point?
> > > Byron
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "colonialcoinunion
> > > <jagre@a...>" <jagre@a...> wrote:
> > > > During the C4 in Boston I showed a Chalmers Long Worm Shilling to a
> > > > number of people for grading opinions.
> > > >
> > > > The coin was in a PCGS holder at the time but I had covered the
> > > grade.
> > > >
> > > > I was interested to see what people thought of the coin, not to see
> > > if anyone
> > > > could guess what PCGS had called it and I received comments ranging
> > > from
> > > > XF40 Cleaned to AU58 or better 'sharpest seen' or words to that
> > > effect.
> > > >
> > > > I also showed the coin to the Bowers contingent at the show who
> > > were very
> > > > nice, but generally unimpressed with the coin (they were the XF40
> > > cleaned
> > > > comment). They also mentioned that they 'feared PCGS had called it
> > > an AU
> > > > or something'.
> > > >
> > > > Fast forward to about a week ago when I traced the coin back to the
> > > Bowers
> > > > 97 Rarities Sale where it had been previously sold and where it was
> > > decribed
> > > > at that time (I 'm pretty sure by the same Bowers contingent) as
> > > Choice AU,
> > > > lustrous, and a 'numismatic prize at this grade level'.
> > > >
> > > > Incidentally, PCGS called it a 58.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not saying PCGS is right, or any of the opinions I received are
> > > wrong. I'm
> > > > not sure what I'm saying.
> > > >
> > > > It is odd though.
> > > >
> > > > JA
> >
> >
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