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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Fun with Grades
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From: Roger Moore <rogermoore435@yahoo.com>
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This is like a double blinded study. However, any
coins i recoginize as mine will automatically get a
higher grade. Roger
--- Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net> wrote:
> Roy,
> Good idea. If you remind me shortly before the
> convention, we'll do it.
>
> Ray
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roy Bonjour" <r.bonjour@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 5:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Fun with
> Grades
>
>
> > I've been thinking about grading for some time. I
> won't bore you with my
> > opinions, but have an idea. At the Nov 2003 C4
> Convention someone (Ray)
> > should bring in three coins (probably NJ, since
> all of the email traffic
> > seems to indicate that they are the flavor of the
> period). Set up a table
> at
> > the rear and allow those interested, to secretly
> grade each coin on a
> > provided ballot. The results will be announced at
> the end of the meeting.
> > Let's have the "experts" grade the coins. Should
> be interesting!
> > Roy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jagre@attbi.com>
> > To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 7:41 PM
> > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Fun with
> Grades
> >
> >
> > > Byron -
> > >
> > > I agree with that.
> > >
> > > But what bothers me about the present situation
> is not the wide variety
> of
> > > equally valid opinions (I accept that), its the
> element of 'when I'm
> > selling it its
> > > an AU, when I'm buying it its a VF' mentality
> that I find to be so
> > distasteful and
> > > one of the very worst parts of our hobby.
> > >
> > > Speaking for myself, whatever opinion I hold of
> a coin I honestly
> believe
> > it will
> > > be the same whether I'm buying or selling it.
> > >
> > > The other thing I find noteworthy in this
> situation is that while PCGS
> can
> > be
> > > criticized for many things (its a Camel Head!),
> they do have the
> capacity
> > to
> > > eliminate some (but not all) of this sellers /
> buyer 'bias'.
> > >
> > > John Agre
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Byron K.
> Weston <bkweston@l...>"
> <
> > > bkweston@l...> wrote:
> > > > There's an old saying about opinions, Eric,
> that I don't think I need
> > > > to repeat here.<s> That's why I've only ever
> relied upon my own -
> > > > perhaps that is your point?
> > > > Byron
> > > >
> > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com,
> "colonialcoinunion
> > > > <jagre@a...>" <jagre@a...> wrote:
> > > > > During the C4 in Boston I showed a Chalmers
> Long Worm Shilling to a
> > > > > number of people for grading opinions.
> > > > >
> > > > > The coin was in a PCGS holder at the time
> but I had covered the
> > > > grade.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was interested to see what people thought
> of the coin, not to see
> > > > if anyone
> > > > > could guess what PCGS had called it and I
> received comments ranging
> > > > from
> > > > > XF40 Cleaned to AU58 or better 'sharpest
> seen' or words to that
> > > > effect.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also showed the coin to the Bowers
> contingent at the show who
> > > > were very
> > > > > nice, but generally unimpressed with the
> coin (they were the XF40
> > > > cleaned
> > > > > comment). They also mentioned that they
> 'feared PCGS had called it
> > > > an AU
> > > > > or something'.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fast forward to about a week ago when I
> traced the coin back to the
> > > > Bowers
> > > > > 97 Rarities Sale where it had been
> previously sold and where it was
> > > > decribed
> > > > > at that time (I 'm pretty sure by the same
> Bowers contingent) as
> > > > Choice AU,
> > > > > lustrous, and a 'numismatic prize at this
> grade level'.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incidentally, PCGS called it a 58.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not saying PCGS is right, or any of the
> opinions I received are
> > > > wrong. I'm
> > > > > not sure what I'm saying.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is odd though.
> > > > >
> > > > > JA
> > >
> > >
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