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Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 22:38:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Fun with Grades
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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
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Hi Roger!
Because of the scarcity of UNC colonials compared to the number of UNC
Large Cents, it shouldn't be a problem. It could be fun if done right.
Ray W
----- Original Message -----
From: <rogersiboni@aol.com>
To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2002 7:17 PM
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Fun with Grades
> Roy,
>
> Kind of reminds me of the Second Robinson Brown Auction of Large
> Cents in 1996. Everyone that Lot viewed was encouraged to grade all
> the lots and then compare them to the grading of three "experts". I
> think everyone who graded was also encouraged to send their grades in
> for some kind of averaging. Needless to say, the grades, especially
> from the experts, came in all accross the board. Sometimes 20 points
> apart. I think people are still arguing in Panny Wise about it today.
> Ray, proceed at your own risk.
>
> Roger
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Roy Bonjour" <r.bonjour@w...>
> wrote:
> > I've been thinking about grading for some time. I won't bore you
> with my
> > opinions, but have an idea. At the Nov 2003 C4 Convention someone
> (Ray)
> > should bring in three coins (probably NJ, since all of the email
> traffic
> > seems to indicate that they are the flavor of the period). Set up a
> table at
> > the rear and allow those interested, to secretly grade each coin on
> a
> > provided ballot. The results will be announced at the end of the
> meeting.
> > Let's have the "experts" grade the coins. Should be interesting!
> > Roy
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jagre@a...>
> > To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 7:41 PM
> > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Fun with Grades
> >
> >
> > > Byron -
> > >
> > > I agree with that.
> > >
> > > But what bothers me about the present situation is not the wide
> variety of
> > > equally valid opinions (I accept that), its the element of 'when
> I'm
> > selling it its
> > > an AU, when I'm buying it its a VF' mentality that I find to be so
> > distasteful and
> > > one of the very worst parts of our hobby.
> > >
> > > Speaking for myself, whatever opinion I hold of a coin I honestly
> believe
> > it will
> > > be the same whether I'm buying or selling it.
> > >
> > > The other thing I find noteworthy in this situation is that while
> PCGS can
> > be
> > > criticized for many things (its a Camel Head!), they do have the
> capacity
> > to
> > > eliminate some (but not all) of this sellers / buyer 'bias'.
> > >
> > > John Agre
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Byron K. Weston
> <bkweston@l...>" <
> > > bkweston@l...> wrote:
> > > > There's an old saying about opinions, Eric, that I don't think
> I need
> > > > to repeat here.<s> That's why I've only ever relied upon my
> own -
> > > > perhaps that is your point?
> > > > Byron
> > > >
> > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "colonialcoinunion
> > > > <jagre@a...>" <jagre@a...> wrote:
> > > > > During the C4 in Boston I showed a Chalmers Long Worm
> Shilling to a
> > > > > number of people for grading opinions.
> > > > >
> > > > > The coin was in a PCGS holder at the time but I had covered
> the
> > > > grade.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was interested to see what people thought of the coin, not
> to see
> > > > if anyone
> > > > > could guess what PCGS had called it and I received comments
> ranging
> > > > from
> > > > > XF40 Cleaned to AU58 or better 'sharpest seen' or words to
> that
> > > > effect.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also showed the coin to the Bowers contingent at the show
> who
> > > > were very
> > > > > nice, but generally unimpressed with the coin (they were the
> XF40
> > > > cleaned
> > > > > comment). They also mentioned that they 'feared PCGS had
> called it
> > > > an AU
> > > > > or something'.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fast forward to about a week ago when I traced the coin back
> to the
> > > > Bowers
> > > > > 97 Rarities Sale where it had been previously sold and where
> it was
> > > > decribed
> > > > > at that time (I 'm pretty sure by the same Bowers contingent)
> as
> > > > Choice AU,
> > > > > lustrous, and a 'numismatic prize at this grade level'.
> > > > >
> > > > > Incidentally, PCGS called it a 58.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not saying PCGS is right, or any of the opinions I
> received are
> > > > wrong. I'm
> > > > > not sure what I'm saying.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is odd though.
> > > > >
> > > > > JA
> > >
> > >
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