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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Serious
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John - the answer is simple. You can have a high passion for whatever type coinage or hobby without writing about it, or trying to expound your thoughts or beliefs onto others. Privacy is highly prized by many people and they have no desire to be "known".
Some people work better and produce more by working "in the back room" than up front, in sight and vocal.
Morris
"njcopperjohn <jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com>" <jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com> wrote:But how does someone like Taylor go through his whole life and not
write about one series or project some new ideas on even one coin in
his massive collection.
Severe passion couple with a desire to remain anonymous - I guess. I
have come across very passionate collectors with this type of make-up.
Some collectors exhibit this behavior like Taylor who wish to remain
anonymous yet obviously had a HIGH passion for these colonial jewels.
I guess there is a sub-level to Level 3 in terms of giving back or
advancing even ONE new idea to your peers.
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "cmcdon0923 "
wrote:
> Just getting around to replying to a few of these followups to my
> EXPANDED qestion....good thread, I've enjoyed the responses so
far...
>
> John,
>
> I have to disagree with your assertion that one can only be
> considered a "serious" collector if you have published something or
> are involved in research. Either this should be a sub-category of
> serious, or perhaps a fourth level....Student / Researcher.
>
> I agree with your #1 definition, but as for #2, I think an
> accumulator could be more accurately described as someone who
simply
> buys up all the (usually) lower grade coins they can find, puts
them
> in cardboard 2x2 holders, and then attributes them by Breen numbers
> with the annotation of "RARE" or V. RARE" on each one.
>
> As for what constitutes a serious collector, in my opinion, it is
> anyone who has made a commitment of both time and effort (OK, and
> money) to pursue assembling a collection with a slant towards some
> form of "specialization", be it die varieties and/or die states,
> pedigrees, grade, etc., etc. But I feel there needs to be some
> aspect of specialization, and with most/all of the series we bring
> under the umbrella of "Colonials", that specialization usually
> centers around die varieties.
>
> I consider myself a serious collector of both CT and VT varieties.
> For both series, I currently own in excess of the "thresholds" I
> posted in my original message. Am I as active as I used to be?
No.
> But that is mainly because I am now at a point where I can not walk
> in to even an EAC or C4 convention and find more than a small
handful
> of coins I need. And unfortunately, $$$ then becomes the main
> roadblock even if the coins are there.
>
> I no longer actively bid at auction, but I do sometimes buy coins
on
> the aftermarket from major sales. I own (and have read) most of
the
> references for just about every series, even those I don't
collect.
> I have amassed a library of several hundred books and catalogs for
> use in tracing pedigrees, comparing condition and frequency of
> appearances, etc., etc.
>
> You HAVE to study these coins to collect them. You need to at
least
> have some idea about the numbering schemes used to assign
varieties.
> You need to be able to at least put a general attribution on a
> coin...is is a 33 obverse or a 32, or a 37, etc. And that only
comes
> from making the commitment to study and memorize the details. This
> is what separates us from people who collect (for example) slabbed
> silver dollars.
>
> But, I have never published a single article, or proposed a single
> new theory or hypothesis regarding these coins. Does that
disqualify
> me as being serious? In my mind, it does not, because as I stated
in
> the beginning of this posting, I have made a commitment to assemble
> collections of these coins. I read about them, I study the
> craftsmanship and the fabric of their manufacture. I seek them out
> and agonize (literally) over which one I should buy when faced with
a
> situation where I can buy only one.
>
> Bottom line....there has to be some inner passion to make that
> commitment to seriously collect Colonials. Anyone who has that
> passion deep inside can be considered serious....numbers don't
> matter. If you have the passion deep inside, you know it. If you
> don't, then perhaps Colonials aren't for you.
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Craig
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<P><STRONG>John - the answer is simple. You can have a high passion for whatever type coinage or hobby without writing about it, or trying to expound your thoughts or beliefs onto others. Privacy is highly prized by many people and they have no desire to be "known".</STRONG>
<P><STRONG>Some people work better and produce more by working "in the back room" than up front, in sight and vocal.</STRONG>
<P><STRONG>Morris</STRONG>
<P><STRONG></STRONG>
<P> <B><I>"njcopperjohn <jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com>" <jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com></I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">But how does someone like Taylor go through his whole life and not <BR>write about one series or project some new ideas on even one coin in <BR>his massive collection.<BR>Severe passion couple with a desire to remain anonymous - I guess. I <BR>have come across very passionate collectors with this type of make-up.<BR>Some collectors exhibit this behavior like Taylor who wish to remain <BR>anonymous yet obviously had a HIGH passion for these colonial jewels.<BR>I guess there is a sub-level to Level 3 in terms of giving back or <BR>advancing even ONE new idea to your peers.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "cmcdon0923 <CMCDON0923@A...>" <BR><CMCDON0923@A...>wrote:<BR>> Just getting around to replying to a few of these followups to my <BR>> EXPANDED qestion....good thread, I've enjoyed the responses so <BR>far...<BR>> <BR>> John,<BR>> <BR>> I have to disagree with your assertion that one can only be <BR>> considered a "serious" collector if you have published something or <BR>> are involved in research. Either this should be a sub-category of <BR>> serious, or perhaps a fourth level....Student / Researcher. <BR>> <BR>> I agree with your #1 definition, but as for #2, I think an <BR>> accumulator could be more accurately described as someone who <BR>simply <BR>> buys up all the (usually) lower grade coins they can find, puts <BR>them <BR>> in cardboard 2x2 holders, and then attributes them by Breen numbers <BR>> with the annotation of "RARE" or V. RARE" on each one.<BR>> <BR>> As for what constitutes a serious collector, in my opinion, it is <BR>> anyone who has made a commitment of both time and effort (OK, and <BR>> money) to pursue assembling a collection with a slant towards some <BR>> form of "specialization", be it die varieties and/or die states, <BR>> pedigrees, grade, etc., etc. But I feel there needs to be some <BR>> aspect of specialization, and with most/all of the series we bring <BR>> under the umbrella of "Colonials", that specialization usually <BR>> centers around die varieties.<BR>> <BR>> I consider myself a serious collector of both CT and VT varieties. <BR>> For both series, I currently own in excess of the "thresholds" I <BR>> posted in my original message. Am I as active as I used to be? <BR>No. <BR>> But that is mainly because I am now at a point where I can not walk <BR>> in to even an EAC or C4 convention and find more than a small <BR>handful <BR>> of coins I need. And unfortunately, $$$ then becomes the main <BR>> roadblock even if the coins are there. <BR>> <BR>> I no longer actively bid at auction, but I do sometimes buy coins <BR>on <BR>> the aftermarket from major sales. I own (and have read) most of <BR>the <BR>> references for just about every series, even those I don't <BR>collect. <BR>> I have amassed a library of several hundred books and catalogs for <BR>> use in tracing pedigrees, comparing condition and frequency of <BR>> appearances, etc., etc. <BR>> <BR>> You HAVE to study these coins to collect them. You need to at <BR>least <BR>> have some idea about the numbering schemes used to assign <BR>varieties. <BR>> You need to be able to at least put a general attribution on a <BR>> coin...is is a 33 obverse or a 32, or a 37, etc. And that only <BR>comes <BR>> from making the commitment to study and memorize the details. This <BR>> is what separates us from people who collect (for example) slabbed <BR>> silver dollars.<BR>> <BR>> But, I have never published a single article, or proposed a single <BR>> new theory or hypothesis regarding these coins. Does that <BR>disqualify <BR>> me as being serious? In my mind, it does not, because as I stated <BR>in <BR>> the beginning of this posting, I have made a commitment to assemble <BR>> collections of these coins. I read about them, I study the <BR>> craftsmanship and the fabric of their manufacture. I seek them out <BR>> and agonize (literally) over which one I should buy when faced with <BR>a <BR>> situation where I can buy only one. <BR>> <BR>> Bottom line....there has to be some inner passion to make that <BR>> commitment to seriously collect Colonials. Anyone who has that <BR>> passion deep inside can be considered serious....numbers don't <BR>> matter. If you have the passion deep inside, you know it. If you <BR>> don't, then perhaps Colonials aren't for you. <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> Sincerely,<BR>> <BR>> Craig<BR><BR><BR>To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:<BR>colonial-coins-unsubscribe@egroups.com<BR><BR><BR><BR>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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