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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Serious
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From: Roger Moore <rogermoore435@yahoo.com>
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David and all. I have read all the definitions and
sub-definitions of what a "serious" colonial collector
constitutes. As each has expressed their opinion, I
have adjusted my own definition. I refrained from
adding my two NJ cents worth, because I didn't think
I could add anything. However, at this point I will
give way to temptation and state, that in my opinion a
serious colonial collector is someone who buys, finds
or trades for a colonial coin because of his/her love
of the coin. Whether that love stems from a deep
appreciation of the history of the coin, an anal
retentive need to write a paper about the coin, or
just some unexpainable love of the coin's design -
that person is a serious collector. I have never met
anyone at any C-4 convention that was not a serious
collector. Roger
--- "David L. Palmer <palmers4@erols.com>"
<palmers4@erols.com> wrote:
> John, Before the Taylor Sale in '87, I had never
> heard of him. SO?
> There are lots of people I never met that have
> collected NOT amassed
> nice colonial collections, many I am certain are
> around today, doing
> that. Most people never knew that I collected NJ's
> and Conn.'s before
> I got to a certain level, as I did not want to be
> known at that
> point, because I wouldn't be taken seriously.( ok so
> nobody takes me
> seriously now, either) The fact of "advancing a new
> idea" is not
> always done in print. I believe I have advanced a
> few NEW ideas in
> ctfts. over the last year or so. I MAY be right, I
> may not, but the
> ideas went out and feedback was listened to. None of
> it will hit the
> print media under my pen name, as far as I am
> concerned. I do not
> need to stand in front of a COAC and spout drivel,
> in order to be a
> serious collector. I do my research in "the back
> room" as Morris
> said, and speak to people one to one. Those people
> then, if they
> agree with me, may do additional research and use my
> ideas for the
> purposes of publishing new info. Guess what? They
> don't even have to
> credit me! Because I don't CARE! We try to advance
> the hobby, have a
> positive impact on other collectors, especially the
> new ones, and if
> we are remembered, Great!, if not, so what?
> Collecting is about
> enjoyment, how we enjoy the hobby is personal. Some
> research, because
> they can't afford what it is they truly have a
> passion for, others do
> it because they have to( drive, anal retentiveness,
> whatever) and
> that is good. Frederick Taylor from everything I
> could find out about
> him was a consummate collector. The fact that many
> did not know of
> him, is inconsequential. David
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "njcopperjohn
> <jlorenzo@o...>"
> <jlorenzo@o...> wrote:
> > A well spoken piece. Consider a collector like
> Frederick Taylor.
> All
> > those coins and many purchased by Richard Picker
> for Taylor since
> > Taylor did not even show to most of the sales (if
> any???). Serious
> or
> > an accumulator. Is passion enough. Possibly. Was
> Taylor a serious
> > collector or an accumulator. PASSION could be
> considered a
> substitute
> > for a total lack of advancing the current
> information based on your
> > writing.
> > I agree.
> > But how does someone like Taylor go through his
> whole life and not
> > write about one series or project some new ideas
> on even one coin
> in
> > his massive collection.
> > Severe passion couple with a desire to remain
> anonymous - I guess.
> I
> > have come across very passionate collectors with
> this type of make-
> up.
> > Some collectors exhibit this behavior like Taylor
> who wish to
> remain
> > anonymous yet obviously had a HIGH passion for
> these colonial
> jewels.
> > I guess there is a sub-level to Level 3 in terms
> of giving back or
> > advancing even ONE new idea to your peers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "cmcdon0923
>
> <CMcdon0923@a...>"
> > <CMcdon0923@a...> wrote:
> > > Just getting around to replying to a few of
> these followups to my
> > > EXPANDED qestion....good thread, I've enjoyed
> the responses so
> > far...
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > I have to disagree with your assertion that one
> can only be
> > > considered a "serious" collector if you have
> published something
> or
> > > are involved in research. Either this should be
> a sub-category
> of
> > > serious, or perhaps a fourth level....Student /
> Researcher.
> > >
> > > I agree with your #1 definition, but as for #2,
> I think an
> > > accumulator could be more accurately described
> as someone who
> > simply
> > > buys up all the (usually) lower grade coins they
> can find, puts
> > them
> > > in cardboard 2x2 holders, and then attributes
> them by Breen
> numbers
> > > with the annotation of "RARE" or V. RARE" on
> each one.
> > >
> > > As for what constitutes a serious collector, in
> my opinion, it is
> > > anyone who has made a commitment of both time
> and effort (OK, and
> > > money) to pursue assembling a collection with a
> slant towards
> some
> > > form of "specialization", be it die varieties
> and/or die states,
> > > pedigrees, grade, etc., etc. But I feel there
> needs to be some
> > > aspect of specialization, and with most/all of
> the series we
> bring
> > > under the umbrella of "Colonials", that
> specialization usually
> > > centers around die varieties.
> > >
> > > I consider myself a serious collector of both CT
> and VT
> varieties.
> > > For both series, I currently own in excess of
> the "thresholds" I
> > > posted in my original message. Am I as active
> as I used to be?
> > No.
> > > But that is mainly because I am now at a point
> where I can not
> walk
> > > in to even an EAC or C4 convention and find more
> than a small
> > handful
> > > of coins I need. And unfortunately, $$$ then
> becomes the main
> > > roadblock even if the coins are there.
> > >
> > > I no longer actively bid at auction, but I do
> sometimes buy coins
> > on
> > > the aftermarket from major sales. I own (and
> have read) most of
> > the
> > > references for just about every series, even
> those I don't
> > collect.
> > > I have amassed a library of several hundred
> books and catalogs
> for
> > > use in tracing pedigrees, comparing condition
> and frequency of
> > > appearances, etc., etc.
> > >
> > > You HAVE to study these coins to collect them.
> You need to at
> > least
> > > have some idea about the numbering schemes used
> to assign
> > varieties.
> > > You need to be able to at least put a general
> attribution on a
> > > coin...is is a 33 obverse or a 32, or a 37, etc.
> And that only
> > comes
> > > from making the commitment to study and memorize
> the
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