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Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Serious
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Roger, Well said. David
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Roger Moore
<rogermoore435@y...> wrote:
> David and all. I have read all the definitions and
> sub-definitions of what a "serious" colonial collector
> constitutes. As each has expressed their opinion, I
> have adjusted my own definition. I refrained from
> adding my two NJ cents worth, because I didn't think
> I could add anything. However, at this point I will
> give way to temptation and state, that in my opinion a
> serious colonial collector is someone who buys, finds
> or trades for a colonial coin because of his/her love
> of the coin. Whether that love stems from a deep
> appreciation of the history of the coin, an anal
> retentive need to write a paper about the coin, or
> just some unexpainable love of the coin's design -
> that person is a serious collector. I have never met
> anyone at any C-4 convention that was not a serious
> collector. Roger
>
>
> --- "David L. Palmer <palmers4@e...>"
> <palmers4@e...> wrote:
> > John, Before the Taylor Sale in '87, I had never
> > heard of him. SO?
> > There are lots of people I never met that have
> > collected NOT amassed
> > nice colonial collections, many I am certain are
> > around today, doing
> > that. Most people never knew that I collected NJ's
> > and Conn.'s before
> > I got to a certain level, as I did not want to be
> > known at that
> > point, because I wouldn't be taken seriously.( ok so
> > nobody takes me
> > seriously now, either) The fact of "advancing a new
> > idea" is not
> > always done in print. I believe I have advanced a
> > few NEW ideas in
> > ctfts. over the last year or so. I MAY be right, I
> > may not, but the
> > ideas went out and feedback was listened to. None of
> > it will hit the
> > print media under my pen name, as far as I am
> > concerned. I do not
> > need to stand in front of a COAC and spout drivel,
> > in order to be a
> > serious collector. I do my research in "the back
> > room" as Morris
> > said, and speak to people one to one. Those people
> > then, if they
> > agree with me, may do additional research and use my
> > ideas for the
> > purposes of publishing new info. Guess what? They
> > don't even have to
> > credit me! Because I don't CARE! We try to advance
> > the hobby, have a
> > positive impact on other collectors, especially the
> > new ones, and if
> > we are remembered, Great!, if not, so what?
> > Collecting is about
> > enjoyment, how we enjoy the hobby is personal. Some
> > research, because
> > they can't afford what it is they truly have a
> > passion for, others do
> > it because they have to( drive, anal retentiveness,
> > whatever) and
> > that is good. Frederick Taylor from everything I
> > could find out about
> > him was a consummate collector. The fact that many
> > did not know of
> > him, is inconsequential. David
> >
> >
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "njcopperjohn
> > <jlorenzo@o...>"
> > <jlorenzo@o...> wrote:
> > > A well spoken piece. Consider a collector like
> > Frederick Taylor.
> > All
> > > those coins and many purchased by Richard Picker
> > for Taylor since
> > > Taylor did not even show to most of the sales (if
> > any???). Serious
> > or
> > > an accumulator. Is passion enough. Possibly. Was
> > Taylor a serious
> > > collector or an accumulator. PASSION could be
> > considered a
> > substitute
> > > for a total lack of advancing the current
> > information based on your
> > > writing.
> > > I agree.
> > > But how does someone like Taylor go through his
> > whole life and not
> > > write about one series or project some new ideas
> > on even one coin
> > in
> > > his massive collection.
> > > Severe passion couple with a desire to remain
> > anonymous - I guess.
> > I
> > > have come across very passionate collectors with
> > this type of make-
> > up.
> > > Some collectors exhibit this behavior like Taylor
> > who wish to
> > remain
> > > anonymous yet obviously had a HIGH passion for
> > these colonial
> > jewels.
> > > I guess there is a sub-level to Level 3 in terms
> > of giving back or
> > > advancing even ONE new idea to your peers.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "cmcdon0923
> >
> > <CMcdon0923@a...>"
> > > <CMcdon0923@a...> wrote:
> > > > Just getting around to replying to a few of
> > these followups to my
> > > > EXPANDED qestion....good thread, I've enjoyed
> > the responses so
> > > far...
> > > >
> > > > John,
> > > >
> > > > I have to disagree with your assertion that one
> > can only be
> > > > considered a "serious" collector if you have
> > published something
> > or
> > > > are involved in research. Either this should be
> > a sub-category
> > of
> > > > serious, or perhaps a fourth level....Student /
> > Researcher.
> > > >
> > > > I agree with your #1 definition, but as for #2,
> > I think an
> > > > accumulator could be more accurately described
> > as someone who
> > > simply
> > > > buys up all the (usually) lower grade coins they
> > can find, puts
> > > them
> > > > in cardboard 2x2 holders, and then attributes
> > them by Breen
> > numbers
> > > > with the annotation of "RARE" or V. RARE" on
> > each one.
> > > >
> > > > As for what constitutes a serious collector, in
> > my opinion, it is
> > > > anyone who has made a commitment of both time
> > and effort (OK, and
> > > > money) to pursue assembling a collection with a
> > slant towards
> > some
> > > > form of "specialization", be it die varieties
> > and/or die states,
> > > > pedigrees, grade, etc., etc. But I feel there
> > needs to be some
> > > > aspect of specialization, and with most/all of
> > the series we
> > bring
> > > > under the umbrella of "Colonials", that
> > specialization usually
> > > > centers around die varieties.
> > > >
> > > > I consider myself a serious collector of both CT
> > and VT
> > varieties.
> > > > For both series, I currently own in excess of
> > the "thresholds" I
> > > > posted in my original message. Am I as active
> > as I used to be?
> > > No.
> > > > But that is mainly because I am now at a point
> > where I can not
> > walk
> > > > in to even an EAC or C4 convention and find more
> > than a small
> > > handful
> > > > of coins I need. And unfortunately, $$$ then
> > becomes the main
> > > > roadblock even if the coins are there.
> > > >
> > > > I no longer actively bid at auction, but I do
> > sometimes buy coins
> > > on
> > > > the aftermarket from major sales. I own (and
> > have read) most of
> > > the
> > > > references for just about every series, even
> > those I don't
> > > collect.
> > > > I have amassed a library of several hundred
> > books and catalogs
> > for
> > > > use in tracing pedigrees, comparing condition
> > and frequency of
> > > > appearances, etc., etc.
> > > >
> > > > You HAVE to study these coins to collect them.
> > You need to at
> > > least
> > > > have some idea about the numbering schemes used
> > to assign
> > > varieties.
> > > > You need to be able to at least put a general
> > attribution on a
> > > > coin...is is a 33 obverse or a 32, or a 37, etc.
> > And that only
> > > comes
> > > > from making the commitment to study and memorize
> > the
> === message truncated ===
>
>
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