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Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 11:58:56 -0500
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Spanish 2 Reale
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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
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The 1708 2 Reales I see are not "cross" pistareens. One has the CARLOS
Monogram from Barcelona and the other is a PV Monogram (Large V on top -
Like a V nickel) that was minted in Segovia. The first is $45 in EF and the
second is $50 in EF. These were widely circulated in the "Tobacco
Colonies". I strongly recommend reading:
http://www.amnumsoc.org/cnl/Pistareens.pdf which is one of many great CNL
articles.
Ray W
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Snyder" <billsnyder2000@yahoo.com>
To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 11:44 AM
Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] Spanish 2 Reale
> Hello again Leo-
>
> My Krause 1701-1800 is the first edition. For some
> reason, the catalogers chose not to include any Spanish 2
> Reals that were dated earlier than 1754. (Lousy job on
> their part, IMHO). Maybe Ray's 2nd edition has some
> information on the 1708's. (But I would not count on it).
>
> There is another aspect to your question. In 1708
> (actually 1707 to 1714) there were 2 'kings' of Spain, each
> minting coins as King. They were Phillip V (supported by
> the French troops of Louis XIV) and Charles I (supported by
> King Leopold of the Holy Roman Empire). (The War of the
> Spanish Succession). So, we need to know if your coin
> says Philippvs or Carolvs. Then, the mint. The possible
> mint marks are a crown 'M' (Madrid), 'S' (Seville), and a
> stylized castle (Segovia) for Phillip V coins. The 2 Reals
> of Charles I were made in Barcelona and have a big script
> CAROLS III in the center of the dated side.
>
> (Common date/mintmark) pieces of either king show as
> worth about $75 in EF in a book by Jesus Vico. The 1708
> from Seville, however, lists at about $300).
>
> If you want, send me a scan privately.
>
>
> Best,
> Bill
>
> ********************************************************
>
> --- leo.j.shane@honeywell.com wrote:
> > Bill:
> > Thanks, I was looking for a 1708 which I would grade XF.
> > I think the
> > edition of Krause that my library has is an older one. I
> > think it's the
> > first edition Krause put out for the 18th century series.
> > Which edition are
> > you using? Thanks again.
> > Leo
>
> =====
> "Virtue only is triumphant in theatrical performances."
>
> Bill Snyder
> PO Box 1242
> Cookeville, TN 38503
>
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