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eBay item 3008200485 (Ends Feb-17-03 18:36:04 PST ) - Rare 1 of 11,056 1793=
Liberty Cap PCI N15Here's the auction, as downloaded from the web,
Ray W

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From: Ray Williams=20
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Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 11:57 AM
Subject: eBay item 3008200485 (Ends Feb-17-03 183604 PST ) - Rare 1 of 11,0=
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Rare 1 of 11,056 1793 Liberty Cap PCI N15=20=20
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Coins:Coins: US:Large Cents:Early (1793-96)=20=20

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Very Rare ONE of 11,056 1793 Liberty Cap Large Cent---PCI Rated FN15 (Fine =
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Your are bidding on one rare 1793 Liberty Cap large one cent=20
rated FN15 (Fine 15) Corroded. Certified encapsulation and rating by PCI.
Mintage only 11,056. 10 day money back guarantee of 100% satisfaction less =
shipping, insurance and eBay fees. The photos speak for themselves---rarity=
makes this coin worth the price. When most coins are minted in the Million=
s, this coin is over 200 years old and who knows how many are still in circ=
ulation? If there were 10% in circulation only 1,105 collectors could own o=
ne 1793 Liberty Cap in any condition-well you could do math from here, i.e.=
5% only 552, less than 5%? For example the NGC has only graded 5! of them=
see http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/poplookup-detail.asp?PrintOrder=3D247=
&IDCoins=3D11359=20
I also called PCGS they advised they have had only 41 graded!=20
The PCGS site list this at $6,800.00
http://www.pcgs.com/prices/frame.chtml?type=3Ddate&filename=3Dlarge_cent

The following site list retail at $11,000.00 http://www.numismedia.com/fmv/=
prices/lrgcnt/pricesgd.shtml
The coin dealer gray sheet for 10/11/02 list wholesale at $6,000.00.=20
The reserve is low.=20

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On Feb-17-03 at 12:48:03 PST, seller added the following information:=20

I have called PCI today and they verified that they graded this coin and th=
at it is an authentic 1793 Liberty Cap however due to the following 3 Email=
s this will be pulled off auction with in 24hrs to pursue further investiga=
tion into its authenticity

-any questions email me at bfr@inter-linc.net.=20

I apologize for any inconvenience

Email 1

None of the diagnostics match the known 1793 Liberty Caps.

There are 4 known obverses and 2 known reverses for the 93 caps. I'm adding=
the key points from one of my reference books.=20=20

Obverse 12 - A Full millimeter of the staff shows clearly between hair and =
cap. The lower end of the staff is heavy, bold, and rounded at the tip, ta=
pering toward the throat and less than its own diameter from the bust.Two b=
eads are directly or centrally over the I of LIBERTY. The letters of the l=
egend are very close to the border, the L in particular almost touching the=
beads.

Obverse 13 The cracked die Liberty Cap. A straight, heavy crack running fro=
m the border above E to the border just to the right of the 3, divides this=
obverse into two almost equal parts. No examples are known without the cr=
ack.

Obverse 14 - On this die, a bead perfectly dots the I of LIBERTY and this i=
s the best distinguishing characteristic. NOTE: There are other things bu=
t on the picture you had on the listing, it did not appear that the I was p=
erfectly dotted.

Obverse 15 - Ninety-six beads in circle. End of pole to cap and stand of 7=
point directly to bead. Single bead centered above loop of R. I almost d=
otted. NOTE: on yours the 7 and pole are not correct.

Also the head style used on 93 Caps and a very few 94 Caps is referred to a=
s the head of 93. The head style on yours just doesn't look like a head of=
93. I've included a bitmap picture of a group of 93 Caps that was sold at=
auction recently. This was the biggest accumulation of 93 Caps by one per=
son ever.

Reverse K This reverse can be recognized at a glance, as the central part =
is raised or elevated so that ONE CENT, a considerable part of the left wre=
ath, and some of the inner leaves of the right wreath are always weak. A l=
eaf terminates 0.5mm from the right foot of M, and points directly at the c=
enter of the bottom of that letter. The border has eighty-five beads. NOT=
E: As I recall the leaves on yours were close but didn't match this descri=
ption.

Reverse L Readily distinguished from the K reverse by the position of the =
leave under ME of America. The leaf runs almost parallel to the bottoms of=
the two letters, and points at the bottom of the adjacent A.

Not mentioned in the diagnostics but which I noticed on your coin is that t=
he fraction on the reverse is "away from the dots". ON the two known rever=
ses the 100 of the 1/1000 fraction sit right on top of the dots almost touc=
hing them.

The other thing that makes me suspicious is the gouge on the reverse above =
the word ONE. That is the area where the Gallery Mint museum stamped in th=
e word COPY on the ones they made.

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Email 2

It was made in Eureka Springs Arkansas, about fifty miles from you. The wor=
d 'COPY' at the top of the wreath on reverse has been gouged out and the pi=
ece has been deliberately corroded to look old.

Email 3

It has been compared to all known 1793 Liberty Caps and does not match any =
of them. The chance of it being a previously unknown variety is nill. It is=
a counterfeit that should never have been slabbed.

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Source URL

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/colonial-coins/info

Date published

2003-02-27

Volume

Gallery Mint in a Slab Public Deposited

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