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Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 09:37:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Net Grading Nightmare
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From: Roger Moore <rogermoore435@yahoo.com>
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Ray, I hope we are good enogh friends for you to know
when I am pulling your leg!! Roger
--- Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net> wrote:
> Roger,
> If you like dogs so much, we should swap
> collections <BG>. Maybe it may
> have been a poor choice of words, but all knew what
> I meant. I will attempt
> to keep this in mind when I describe coins in the
> future that are much less
> than beautiful. <s>
> Ray W
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Moore" <rogermoore435@yahoo.com>
> To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Net Grading
> Nightmare
>
>
> > I object to the use of the word "dog" in a
> derogatory
> > manner. Dogs are God's gift from heaven. I have
> > never met a dog I didn't like - even ones that
> bite
> > coins!!! Roger
> >
> >
> > --- Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net> wrote:
> > > Now we're on the same page. That I agree to.
> > > Colonial collectors have the
> > > best attitudes about the hobby and their coins
> and
> > > the coins of others. I
> > > have never shown any of my coins to others and
> heard
> > > a negative comment.
> > > With the exception of one or two, I think that
> over
> > > 90% of us have coins in
> > > our collections that are real "dogs" to look at,
> but
> > > we don't belittle
> > > others coins and there's always something to
> like
> > > about every colonial.
> > > Ray W
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@optonline.net>
> > > To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:34 PM
> > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Net Grading
> > > Nightmare
> > >
> > >
> > > > All I can say to this Ray as I can not
> remember an
> > > EAC meeting at any
> > > > convention when the subject matter did not
> involve
> > > grading to some
> > > > degree. Instead of talking coins is always
> > > grading-grading-grading.
> > > > When an EAC person picks up a large cent its
> > > usually "what is wrong
> > > > with this coin." I can only speak for myself -
> > > when I pick up a
> > > > colonial its "What is GOOD about this coin!"
> > > >
> > > > Now its NUFF SAID!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray
> > > Williams <njraywms@o...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I was a little afraid of this happening...
> I
> > > was hoping to avoid
> > > > specifics
> > > > > of the difficulties experienced in EAC
> grading
> > > over the years. I
> > > > wanted to
> > > > > just use general concerns from EAC grading
> and
> > > try not to fall into
> > > > the same
> > > > > pits. We should learn from what others have
> > > done, whether positive
> > > > or
> > > > > negative lessons. This is not my egroup so
> I
> > > can't determine
> > > > what's said or
> > > > > not said on these posts. But I would be
> > > offended if C4 problems
> > > > were
> > > > > discussed in detail on the EAC egroup and we
> > > weren't a part of it.
> > > > So if
> > > > > there's no objections, can we make reference
> to
> > > the general EAC
> > > > grading when
> > > > > we're making comparisons... I'll say no
> more -
> > > as Rob would
> > > > say, "Nuff
> > > > > Said".
> > > > > Ray W
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@o...>
> > > > > To: <colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 9:09 PM
> > > > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Net
> Grading
> > > Nightmare
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The net grade becomes a problem because
> each
> > > "individual" will
> > > > reduce
> > > > > > a coin a certain amount numerically with
> no
> > > constant set of
> > > > factors
> > > > > > in place for this reduction other than the
> net
> > > grader's opinion.
> > > > > > Noyes hated porosity and I had seen VF-20
> > > Large Cents coins
> > > > reduced
> > > > > > to G-6 levels simply due to porosity. I
> know I
> > > BOUGHT a few. Which
> > > > > > was good for me and bad for the consigner.
> > > Anywhere else it was a
> > > > F-
> > > > > > 15. Perhaps if he is reading this he can
> > > explain how he reduced a
> > > > > > coin (4) grade levels due to ONLY
> porosity.
> > > Was he removed and
> > > > > > replaced by Tom Reynolds to keep peace or
> was
> > > that here-say??? Who
> > > > > > would consign to EAC with net grading such
> as
> > > this ...
> > > > > > Neil you were saying ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com,
> "Neil
> > > Rothschild"
> > > > > > <nrothschild@n...> wrote:
> > > > > > > David,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I picked TR just to illustrate a point.
> > > (although should one
> > > > want
> > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > something so stupid, he is in the ideal
> > > position to do it, as
> > > > the C4
> > > > > > > cataloger). You are absolutely right;
> TR
> > > doesn't have the ego
> > > > > > required to
> > > > > > > do the job <s>. The grading czar is all
> > > powerful and all ego.
> > > > You
> > > > > > need a
> > > > > > > special person for the job.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm not really sure why you think net
> > > grading, in itself, is so
> > > > > > terrible.
> > > > > > > Catalogers put all kinds of opinions in
> > > their descriptions and
> > > > > > people apply
> > > > > > > those opinions as they see fit. I see
> > > claims of census,
> > > > > > populations, this
> > > > > > > coin better than that coin, etc. that I
> > > don't agree with. A net
> > > > > > grade is
> > > > > > > just one more opinion to nit pick.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > Neil
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: David L. Palmer
> [mailto:palmers4@e...]
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 8:26 PM
>
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