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Subject: Re: Jackie's back
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--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "John Lorenzo" <johnmenc@o...>
wrote:
> Both the seller and the initil bidder do have the same E-Mail web
> server. I placed a bid of $10 to retrieve this information. I then
> contacted the high bidder listed below at this time and gave him a
> line "Really neat coin what do you think?? He responded to me in a
> verbage that was the "same" style as the lot description. So now
> what? I am in full agreement with these comments below.
hehe - nice work John! Could you spare a copy of each complete with
headers? I think they would make a very suitable seed for tomorrow's
report.
I can edit out any details identifying you in the traceroute or
signature if you prefer (though since this group's archive is a
matter of public record, the cat's somewhat out of the bag in that
respect I guess.)
I intend to keep sending in reports until something happens. What can
happen? Dunno - time-to-findout I guess :)
Here's tonight's latest report for anyone who's interested, adding a
few interesting new details (hey, I hadn't realised that she'd
actually made over $2700 of bids for coins in the last month alone!
Lots of bids for banknotes too, which I might investigate more
closely for shill activity soon.)
ho ho - never a dull day on eBay!
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Re: 2636639672 3528010853 2642783768 3523608294 3522894389 3527997854
3531202595 3531208433 3531214316 3531502877
Following on from my shill-bidder reports, your Ref
(KMM82459304V10017L0KM) and (KMM69397074V51236L0KM) et seq., some
more relevant details have come to light which I thought you should
know about.
I believe that eBay members time-to-listen and vlaminck1922 are not
only shilling each others auctions, and in fact are quite probably
actually the same person.
both sellers make use of extensive use of private auctions in their
fine arts auctions, eg: vlaminck1922: 3523608294, 3522894389,
3527997854 and time-to-listen: 3531202595, 3531208433, 3531214316,
3531502877
I suspect they are shilling eachother's auctions here, but of course
cannot tell for sure. But you can, and I'd appreciate it if you'd
check them out out. Another member I have been observing for several
months is goldengirl04, and I believe this is likewise another shill -
I will be forwarding some data concerning this member shortly.
In non-private auctions alone though, there is ample evidence to
demonstrate their deception and collusion...
time-to-listen bid $422 in vlaminck1922's auction#2636639672 despite
repeated claims not to be interested in coins, but merely to be
selling off an Uncle's estate: "I am not a coin collector nor do I
have an interest in coins" (in auction# 3032162178 and every other
one I've seen).
And yet she also bid $475.88 for a Machin Mills halfpenny - a very
specialist coin indeed in auction# 3030696648, and perusal of her
bidding history shows quite a few more coins (many very expensive
pieces) she has bid on, eg: 3029123065 ($1688.88), 3029191150
($197.98), 3016256740 ($18.50), 3014453158 ($5.51), 3029316929
($328.88) - a total of over $2700 in a single month. I think this
proves at least that she is a demonstrably lying when she disclaims
all knowledge and interest in the field in all her coin auctions, and
that this merits suspicion.
She has also bid on vlaminck1922's auction# 3528010853
As well as bidding on time-to-listen's auction# 3032162178,
vlaminck1922 has bid one bidstep below $585 in auction# 2642783768 (I
know this, as vlaminck1922 is currently the second-highest bidder,
with the bidding currently standing at $585) He/she/it has never bid
on any other seller's auctions. Given that the watch was originally
bought for $223.50 in eBay auction# 2635989397, the shilling will
obviously ensure a fat profit on this one!
Similarities between these auctions in particular and these sellers
in general which lead me to believe that they're not just shilling
for eachother, but are the same person are:
1) both host their pictures on similarly named geocities accounts
("rosered12003" and "jsuis2003")
2) pictures are similarly not embedded in the auction page, but
accessed by an unhyperlinked URL
3) both sellers delete the relevant pictures within minutes of the
end of the auctions, presumably to limit the possibility of
comparison with subsequent/other auctions)
4) the graphics file names used by both sellers are *always* in the
format [number].jpg
5) both sellers will only accept incontrovertible payment by mail,
thus disabling any fraud tracking/buyer protection afforded by online
electronic payment systems
Circumstantial by necessity, but I think compelling nonetheless.
If I can be of any further assistance, please do not hesitate to
contact me,
regards,
ottor_waefre
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