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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 20:35:16 -0000
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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] COLONIALS: Some Mysteries of 19thCentury Cast
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Thanks for your input, Les, I'll make note of your comments for
future reference.
Byron
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "jsuis" <Jsuis@c...> wrote:
> Hi Byron;
> Without actualy seeing these in person, it is rather difficult to
give you a answer that is concrete. I am not aware, nor was I ever,
of these being modern 1930 to date. I could only speculate that if
these, copper over a base metal were ever in circulation in the
colonies, I believe that many would have been either imprisoned or
hanged,...............so, I would rule out these as
contemporary,.............. I have seen and owned a couple that were
casted during contemporary times for circulation purposes, yes
counterfeits of the time, but they were in copper, showing a 2% lead
mixture, possibly for holding the copper together,..but they were 98%
copper in purity. A few years ago, I belief there was a Colonial
auction by Greman and McCawley that towards the back of the
catalogue, which featured a George III in white
metal,...........this, not that particular coin itself, I have one
example in my collection that after examining it closely, I see some
conclusionary results that it is more than likely a production from
the early 20th century that for some reason, never got "coated".
These do exist. It has been past belief that these never circulated
in the colonies to some point, but then in Britian at the
time,.............they would have been noticed immediately upon their
release in circulation,.......especially the crude imitations of
George III,..I think that the British goverment would have fully
documented articles concernning hangings, imprisonment and banishing
from England herself.
> I have a good reason to possibly think that your two coins attached
may have some credibility of earlier 20th century,........however,
without them infront of me, I cannot say with certainty. Whenever I
see what I think may be a cast counterfeit of these George halfpence
coppers on ebay,.......I try to bid efficiently on them. I have seen
many go in high prices. I had previously listed 2 examples in the
past on ebay,.....both sold and the results from the new owner were
conclussive to my theories, casted for contemporary use,.a very
dangerous notion. I belief that your research is far greater of
importance than mine concernning these George coppers, keep up the
good work,...........
> I also see this series "muled" such as George II obverses paired
with the George III reverses. I would like to see if any mule is
struck or casted,.............
> Mario
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Byron Weston
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2003 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] COLONIALS: Some Mysteries of
19thCentury Cast
>
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> >From: "jsuis2003" <Jsuis@c...>
> >Reply-To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> >To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] COLONIALS: Some Mysteries of
19thCentury
> >Cast
> >Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2003 13:16:10 -0000
> >
> >Dear Members;
>
> There are George II and George III
> >halfpence that are currently known in casted copper which mostly
are
> >known as counterfeits for the period,........this would make
sense
> >since Machin dumped plenty of these in the colonies, the weights
> >widely differ leaving many in underweight status to circulated.
It
> >must have been a mad-house at times when purchasing with the
George
> >coppers by weight standards. We see the George halfpences
> >as "undertypes" on several series, ie the most, on New Jersey
> >coppers,.........camelheads: 56-n's and soforth. Yes, there are
many
> >great mysteries that were left for us today to unravel by such
greats
> >as Crosby, Marris and others. I have always been trying to fill
> >the "void" in these that I just mentioned,.today, they seem to
remain
> >a mysterious place setting in colonial numismatics,..........this
> >would be a great task to undertake trying to unravel their
mysterious
> >past,.........I am not disputing any legitimacies, however, we
need
> >to throw out the pros and cons and to try to develope a uniform
and
> >agreeable conclusion on these types.
> >Thank you
> >Mario
> >
>
> Les,
> I'm intrigued by your thoughts and ideas, especially concerning
counterfeit
> halfpence. Perhaps we could explore that in greater detail at
some later
> time as this group deals more with the Confederation era State
issues, and
> I'd assume those issues and their copies, counterfeits, and
replicas should
> be given priority here.
> In the meantime though, could you tell me anything about the
attached modern
> "replicas?"
> Byron
>
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