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- From jmkleeberg@yahoo.com Tue Nov 04 10:51:01 2003
Return-Path: <jmkleeberg@yahoo.com> X-Sender: jmkleeberg@yahoo.com X-Apparently-To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 89758 invoked from network); 4 Nov 2003 18:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Nov 2003 18:51:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.101) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2003 18:51:00 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.187] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Nov 2003 18:50:58 -0000 Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 18:50:56 -0000 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: the cost of beer - in colonial times - help Message-ID: <bo8seg+rh6e@eGroups.com> In-Reply-To: <036901c3a210$50f5ac40$f2fea8c0@DIANEJ33YVI95P> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 3033 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jmkleeberg" <jmkleeberg@yahoo.com> X-Originating-IP: 216.165.3.237 X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=11707909 X-Yahoo-Profile: jmkleeberg
> > I wrote to you a while ago about groats. I managed to get a couple of nice ones--Anne 1713 and William III 1836. I wonder if you can advise me where to look for the cost of common items in colonial America around the 1730s. Since Franklin is talking about spending a groat a day at the tavern, (snip)
I was puzzling over what coin Franklin could possibly be referring to as a "groat." I doubt it would be English groats - very little English silver circulated in the American colonies. Then I looked at Phil Mossman's book, page 75, and he says that a pistareen in Pennsylvania is worth one shilling four pence in Pennsylvania currency. Mossman refers to two tables, one from 1759 and another, printed by Franklin, in 1751. In other words, sixteen pence. A quarter of that is fourpence, i.e. one groat. Franklin's groat, I'm willing to bet, is our old friend the quarter pistareen (also known as a medio, a Spanish provincial silver half real), expressed in Pennsylvania money of account. This is the smallest silver coin that would be circulating in the American colonies at that time, and in its later Federal guise (because a quarter pistareen is worth five cents), as the half dime, it remained the smallest silver coin until 1873. In fact, it still is true today in a sense - if you ask a person on the street, "What is the smallest denomination silver coin?" they might well reply, "A nickel," given the common misuse of the term "silver" to refer to copper-nickel coins. An interesting example of conservatism in coinage.
Note that this only works in these specific tables in Pennsylvania in the 1750s because those tables undervalue the pistareen - they figure it as worth less than five to the dollar, while using the 90 pence to the dollar standard that became the common Pennsylvania currency standard in the nineteenth century. I guess Pennsylvania really loved the new pillar dollars, compared to the grotty old cross pistareens! Well, that's understandable.
Remember when comparing prices that moneys of account varied from colony to colony and from time to time, and as we can see from the pistareen, it even varied among denominations. In Pennsylvania in the nineteenth century the Spanish dollar was worth 90 pence; in New York, 96 pence; in Massachusetts and Virginia, 72 pence. Since the value of the moneys of account had been "cryed up," the prices are not as high as one might think if one were led astray into believing that a reference to "a shilling" refers to British regal shilling.
So what Franklin is saying is, even the smallest things could add up. If you were to spend only the smallest silver coin in circulation (viz., a quarter pistareen) in a tavern every day, it would mount up to a large amount over a year.
It is interesting that he didn't refer to a copper coin. Perhaps it was because copper coins were not readily exchangeable into silver ones. (Just like today! Try getting rid of ten thousand cents!)
John M. Kleeberg
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