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From: "Mario Byrge" <mariobyrge@comcast.net>
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Subject: POSSIBLE THEORY ON THE CONNECTICUT MILLER: 4-L
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Several months ago, I posted a brief observation here in this chat
group concernning the 1787 Connecticut Miller: 4-L which many are
found on "Casted" planchets. At the time, I was concerned that this
variety was only a "Contemporary Counterfeit",.....not a genuine mint
product and a concoction that was perhaps produced outside the mint.
NOW, based on principle,.......I believe differently. Breen notes
that this variety may have been from Morristown Mint based on the
quality of the copper planchets themselves. This variety is extremely
rare,..........in "EARLIEST OBVERSE DIE STATE" where there is "No"
die break from the Bust, outwards to form a horn-like
break,.....possibly 6 or so are true are true examples, making this a
rarity,..........only in Early die state!
During the past couple of months, I have secretly been buying the
hell out of this variety, trying to establish a complete collection
of progressionary die stages,.from the earliest obverse die state to
the latest,........and this is what I have found out of 17 examples
that I now own.
1.) 17 examples I own,........4 in the earliest die state with no
break or even the start of the break,......and those 4 examples are
all on "casted" examples. Out of the 4,..........1 is shown to be a
contemporary counterfeit that was actually produced on a casted
planchet which differs than my other 3 of this earliest die state.
2.) With the 13 remainning examples,.....the die state progression
commences with the horn-like break starting light then progressing
into a well formed cone-like pointed thick break.
3.) Once the break started, it advanced to a certain length,.but then
oddly,......the break in the die had seperated by width,.now causing
the break to stay at a certain length,.but open more widely before
continuing on with the length,..this seems very odd as to why, if the
die was seperating that wide, then why it did not shatter. For
matters, if it would have shattered, then today, there probably would
not be any breaks that are long and thick.
MY OBSEVATION WILL NOT CHANGE COMPLETELY THAT I HAD MADE A FEW MONTHS
AGO,..........BASED ON WHAT I HAVE EXAMINED AND NOTED, THE EARLIEST
DIE STATE REMAINS A "MYSTERY",......MY QUESTION IS ON THE NO-BREAK
EARLY DIE STATE OBVERSE: "Are these infact genuine?" Unless an
example appears on a hard glossy surface planchet, then this may be
ruled "suspect"????????
CONCLUSION: The die stages of the progressionary obverse break
appears to be in 8 stages,........but what throws me, is the fact
that there today, are only 3 or 4 examples confirmed by ealrier data
of the earliest obverse die state. If that is the case, then why are
there so so many in developing progressionary stages of breaks,.when
at first, this die was engraved in great detail with strong features
and what Breen thinks is from the Morristown Mint,......which their
products were very good, one of the best of the time. One would think
that the annealing, the hardening of the die, would be superior to
most operating mints of the time,.......but if this obverse die
cracked, seperated and developed into this type of break,.then the
corresponding reverse details would be completely gone in the later
stages,.but yet, none of my examples show any reverse dtail
completely missing,..........Is the Miller 4-L a genuine and
legitimate variety or is it perhaps a contemporay counterfeit that
was casted by a group in Northern Massachusetts and brought into
Connecticut and New Jersey to circulate based on the different styles
that was circulating at the time?
MARIO
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