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From: "mike hodder" <mhodder@mac.com>
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Subject: Re: POSSIBLE THEORY ON THE CONNECTICUT MILLER: 4-L
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Mario:
I hate to see you worrying over the CT 1787 M.4-L so much. Maybe I can help.
I stopped recording the data I saw on 4-L's when I reached 100 different coins. Now, I
just list the ones that are interesting, like high grade pieces, perfect obverse die state
coins, unusually heavy or light ones, unusually big or small ones, and so on. I have
data on 115 different 4-L's. Of these, 10% are in the perfect obverse die state with
absolutely no trace of the horn break that starts as a small crescent and is visible very
early on. The perfect and broken state coins, along with all their intermediate obverse
die state pieces, come on planchets that vary in weight from light to heavy, meaning
that there is no weight peculiarity to the perfect obverse state coins. I keep detailed
records on the coins I see, including weights, diameters (north/south and east/west
axes), reverse die axes, planchet qualities, grades, and owners or auction lot
numbers. None of the 4-L's I have listed is struck on a cast flan. Of course, I winnow
out phonies. That said, however, I can't claim to have seen many phony 4-L's at all
(unless I just can't tell!).
An interesting early state 4-L was in the Stack's Perkins sale (1/2000), lot 258. Perfect
obverse state and 29.3 mm in diameter. This was one of those rich brown, broad
planchet pieces Breen attributed to the Morristown Mint, on no substantive evidence
whatsoever. About half of the ones I've seen are broad pieces. It's a struck coin, not a
cast or struck on a cast blank. Although you don't seem to care about pedigrees, in
this case the coin seems to go back to Dr. Hall's collection. It sold for $2,185 to a
collector resident in the 718 area code.
If there's anything at all intriguing about the 4-L it's its robustness (a descriptive I
learned from Phil Mossman). The die pair must have struck thousands and thousands
of coins, the vast majority after the obverse had broken. It's one of the two most
common of all early American coppers (NJ 1787 56-n being the other, of course). I
wonder what made that die pair last so long and others fail soon after being
mounted: if the coiners could get the dies right once, why not more often? When I'm
feeling particularly giddy I can even bring myself to wonder if there is more than one
pair of 4-L dies (and 56-n's, too) and might we not be seeing dies that were fully
hubbed decades before the Philadelphia Mint managed the same feat.
Mike H
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