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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading
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With regard to grading, am I the only one that remembers WAY back to about
1957 when I started collecting coins( Lincolns) and was taught that a coin
can grade no better than it's worst side? I don't do that anymore either,
as I would never buy a coin! I believe that grading each side independently
of each other, then coming up wirh an overall grade is most fair to the
buyer. Sellers should be dealing fairly<s>, really, but it often doesn't
happen in other venues. Thank the good Lord, we normally don't even have to
think about fairness in Colonials, as it seems built into most of the
dealers that belong to C4, at least. I am nOT suggesting a net grade, so
much as a fair grade for the total coin, based upon both sides. Maybe an
average grade is the word I'm looking for. If a coin grades VF obverse, F
reverse, it is neither Fine or Very Fine, but possibly something in
between. This with problems accurately as possible described, for all three
sides. David=20
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From: Gord Nichols gnichols@cogeco.ca
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 18:25:50 -0500
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading
Oh boy Steve, good point; I was talking only of pieces struck without
collars.
Gord
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That's a great point Gord.
If I sound unducated in this area, it is only because I am.
Not a strike expert//tekkie...here goes...
Do collars get old and beat up whre you canhave new dies but old=20
collars affecting the edge???
ouch,
steve
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> Robert
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actual grade though. You needn't wait for an "expert" to codify. The=20
two sides can look poor but if the edge still has sharp shear marks=20
and corners from being punched out as a flan then you know the dies=20
were worn and not the coin. On the other hand I've seen people pay=20
for wonderful "lustrous" coins with truly worn out and banged up=20
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> Gord
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> Agreed. But so far, grading for edges has not been codified.
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> "Clement V. Schettino" <copperclem@c...> wrote:
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> Clem
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> I also think that a grade is essential to each side, often=20
times they are congruent, but often times, they are not, especially=20
in the colonial world.
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> When the issue is 'condition census,' I would argue that=20
condition is the average grade of two sides, or net grade, e.g.,=20
using the 70 point scale, (XF 40+ VF 20)/2 =3D VF 30 net.
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> But, because grading standards and measurements can be very=20
subjective, this is all academic to the credence buy it if you like=20
it.
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> After all, there are two sides to every coin/story.
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> Robert Laviana
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> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:21 PM
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> Subject : Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading
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> Does anyone agree with me that grades should always be split=20
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> as opposed to ONLY one grade for the entire coin.....I could=20
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