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Clem I have also seen this done. To be honest, I used to see it on gold
coins. Found out many years ago, that way back when, platinum was cheap,
and certain unscrupulous people would drill out the center of a gold coin,
typically $20's and refill with platinum, as the metals are fairly close in
atomic weight. I had seen this on about 20 or so gold coins during the
70's. I haven't bought a gold coin for almost that long, so I don't knowhow
prevalent they are, but truthfully, buying a gold coin in a slab where I
can't see the edge scares the heck out of me. David

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From: Clement V. Schettino copperclem@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2004 23:43:58 -0500
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading

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They are usually filled and filled. 
 
Clem 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: Clement V. Schettino [mailto:copperclem@comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:43 PM 
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading 
 
I have seen on a few occasions a tiny hole drilled in the edge at K12
for 
suspension. 
 
At least once on a Fugio. 
 
Beware 
 
Clem 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: palmers4@erols.com [mailto:palmers4@erols.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 11:34 PM 
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading 
 
You are assuming that the coins that we collect( Colonials??!!) were
struck 
in collars. Mostly, as I understand it, they were not. David 
 
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From: Steve taxi_steve929@yahoo.com 
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 23:03:38 -0000 
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading 
 
 
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That's a great point Gord. 
If I sound unducated in this area, it is only because I am. 
Not a strike expert//tekkie...here goes... 
Do collars get old and beat up whre you canhave new dies but old 
collars affecting the edge??? 
 
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ouch, 
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 steve 
 
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Gord Nichols" <gnichols@c...>
 
wrote: 
> Robert 
> It is a real good way to get a true impression of the piece's 
actual grade though. You needn't wait for an "expert" to codify. The
 
two sides can look poor but if the edge still has sharp shear marks <BR=
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and corners from being punched out as a flan then you know the dies <BR=
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were worn and not the coin. On the other hand I've seen people pay 
for wonderful "lustrous" coins with truly worn out and banged up 
edges. 
> Gord 
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>=A0=A0 From: William Smith 
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>=A0=A0 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:24 PM 
>=A0=A0 Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading 
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>=A0=A0 Agreed.=A0 But so far, grading for edges has not been codified. =
 
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>=A0=A0 "Clement V. Schettino" <copperclem@c...> wrote: 
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 Actually there are three sides to every coin, and you would d=
o
 
well to look at them all. 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 Clem 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 -----Original Message----- 
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 From: William Smith [mailto:nutmeg06093@y...] 
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 5:11 PM 
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 Subject: Re: [C olonial Numismatics] Grading 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 I also think that a grade is essential to each side, often <B=
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times they are congruent, but often times, they are not, especially <BR=
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in the colonial world. 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 When the issue is 'condition census,' I would argue that =
 
condition is the average grade of two sides, or net grade, e.g., 
using the 70 point scale,=A0 (XF 40+ VF 20)/2 =3D VF 30 net. 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 But, because grading standards and measurements can be=A0 ver=
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subjective,=A0 this is all academic to the credence buy it if you like
 
it. 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 After all, there are two sides to every coin/story. 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 Robert Laviana 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 --- Original Message ----- 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 From: Steve 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2004 12:21 PM 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 Subject : Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 
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>=A0=A0=A0=A0 Does anyone agree with me that grades should always be split =
 
Obv/Rev 
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 as opposed to ONLY one grade for the entire coin.....I could =
 
own a 
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 coin with a perfect mint state obverse that someone took a na=
il
 
to on 
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 the reverse....this coin could be light years better on the <=
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obverse 
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 than the highest condition census coin but because of the <BR=
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reverse 
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 damage, people have to look at an inferior obverse as the <BR=
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number one 
>=A0=A0=A0=A0 coin. (which it is overall, but not taken seperately) 
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