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Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading
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Agreed. I think that's why Mike Hodder puts in coins that he has seen, or
have been RELIABLY reported. Reliably being seen and graded by someone
whose grading he trusts. Am I correct, Mike? I have a couple of
Connecticuts that Tony Carlotto was nice enough to photo in B&W.
Technically they are great photos, but the coins, really speak to you in
person, whereas many on this group would not wish to own them based on the
B&W photos. Any coins with "character" that are shot in B&W, really show
the problems as if they were the central feature of the shot. Minor
striations on the surface( which Conn.'s are known for) become canyons of
voids in the metal in B&W. That is why I use a red background for my
digital photos, as I can as closely as possible accurately show what the
coin really looks like using MY camera. Other cameras may operate better
with a different background. David
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From: William Smith nutmeg06093@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 04:43:36 -0800 (PST)
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading
Good points David.=20=20
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I believe black and white for technical resolution is the best for
illustration purposes. We live in a four-color world. Color can impart
information that the B&W graphic does not. With digital databases, let's
take advantage of technology, even though there is no perfection. Also,
there will always be disputes over what qualifies for the actual condition
census.=20
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Robert Laviana
"palmers4@erols.com" <palmers4@erols.com> wrote:
Be careful of the photographic CC. It is my understanding that the gray
book of early date LC's that Bill Noyes compiled a few years ago, was based
upon his photos of the coins, with copies of them sent to each of the
contributors for grading FROM the photos. I know one guy that backed out
when he found out that all the grading was going to be done from the
photos. It also must be remembered that color especially can be changed in
photos, based upon what you want to show. Each of us has a color chart in
our minds of what a coin should look like for us to want to collect it.
sometimes we disregard it, but at least for common varieties, I think most
of us try to adhere to it. Some liek tan, others are ok with olive, or
chocolate. As Rob said earlier, many things cannot be conveyed thru a
medium such as photos, like true luster for UNC coins. Now, that said, with
M&G doing the EAC auctions, more lots are going to mail bidders than ever
before, OR floor bidders are paying more for them due to mail bidders
actually having a picture to help them decide what to realisticlly bid.
Yes, pictures are great, and should be used, but there still is nothing
quite like viewing in person. I never understood how I could bid whatever I
wanted to by mail at an EAC auction, back in the day when I collected that
Federal crap, and I never won ANYTHING! Then I went to my first EAC
Convention, and looked at lots, and instantly understood. David
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From: CMcdon0923@aol.com
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2004 11:26:06 -0500
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Grading
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<<I agree Craig, but these EF coins that are so ugly that I'd rather own a
VG, are ending up being listed as EF coins in census lists. Census lists
are useful to some and of no use to others but they normally don't include
lengthy descriptions. That was one of the things that bothered me about
the NJ Census in Penny Wise - I used the grades given by the owners.=20
Sometimes those owners increased the grade over what was given in an
auction catalog and on rare occasion, decreased the grade. There are other
stories I could tell about grading and that census but it would serve no
purpose. I agree though that us colonial guys don't want to fall into the
same grading wars that plagued EAC and actually created factions. We all
seem to get along just fine with how we do things now.>>><BR>
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Ray,<BR>
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Understood, and agreed. But if I=E2=80=99m not mistaken, the LC census onl=
y
includes coins that the =E2=80=9Ccompiler of the data=E2=80=9D has either p=
ersonally
viewed, or that have been viewed by one or two trusted minions, or of which
photographs were taken (?).<BR>
<BR>
Due to technology advances since census data first began being recorded, I
personally now believe it has become necessary (or even mandatory) that any
CC listing become a photographic (film or digital) compilation, and not
just one of descriptions. How that translates into using it in a catalog or
other written work is another question.<BR>
<BR>
Differences of opinion regarding even technical grades of coins will never
go away=E2=80=A6.introduce =E2=80=9Cnet grading=E2=80=9D into the picture a=
nd you=E2=80=99ve just
screwed it up beyond any hope of ever getting it to work.<BR>
<BR>
I don=E2=80=99t have answers to a lot of these questions, but ain=E2=80=99t=
that half
the fun of it?<BR>
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