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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] NJ 17-K overstruck on Connecticut
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Roger M,
You and I also have an advantage over Mike with respect to getting the feel for how common the common coins are. Mike sees normally the nicer coins that are worthy of being consigned or sold over the counter. We, on the otherhand, see many many common coins in low grade in our travels. I'm making some assumptions in this statement.
Ray W
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Moore
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] NJ 17-K overstruck on Connecticut
Mike, I agree to some extent. However, you have a
personal data base that is very valuable with the
rating of each coin by a single observer. I think the
previous discussions of having photographs of the "top
ten" coins in any variety would be very heplful for
those that have not viewed all the coins personally.
As has been emphasized in the past, even by Ray who
was doing the CC for NJs, the condition is in the eye
of the beholder. Therefore MY net grade for a coin
and my ordering of the coins in a CC may be very
different from yours. Though there is nothing as
important as personal inspection of each coin, a
photographic file for each variety would be a very
helpful adjunct to the present "flip a coin" rating
system. Also, the R-6 and R-7s of today are the R-4
and R-5s of tomorrow. Just my thoughts. Roger
--- Mike Hodder <mike468hodder@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ray, Jeff, et al:
>
> When you're dealing with "rarities" like R-4 and
> R-5,
> I submit there's no way to be precise since those
> targets are broad and moving because no census
> exists
> that accounts for them all. I base my census
> estimates
> on the number of specimens I've seen or had reliably
> reported to me. Mileage may vary for others, of
> course. As for what I wrote in Ford I about 17-K and
> 73-aa, I'd seen 33 of the latter and called it an
> R-4+, 45 of the former and called it an R-4. In my
> opinion, neither are rare whatever you rate them at
> as
> there are enough to go around. Ditto for an R-5. I
> consider R-6 to be scarce. It's only when you get to
> R-6+ that you start talking about a rating that's
> really significant and whose census requires
> precision.
>
> -- Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net> wrote:
> > Jeff,
> > There are a couple rarities given in Ford that
> I
> > may not be in total agreement with. Rarity is a
> > guess at how many exist. Until every NJ is
> > accounted for, rarity will not be a precise
> science.
> > Ray W
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rosaamltd@aol.com
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] NJ 17-K
> > overstruck on Connecticut
> >
> > In a message dated 1/17/2004 11:38:27 AM Pacific
> > Standard Time, mantoloking2002@yahoo.com writes:
> > William,
> >
> > Both Taylor and Ford have it as an R-4, I see
> no
> > reason to disagree with that assessment. Anton has
> > an R-4 as 76-150. I think I have seen about 35 of
> > them.
> >
> > Roger
> > The fun part about rarity ratings though -- the
> > 73-aa, for instance, is also called an R-4 in
> Ford.
> > Which variety have you seen more of, 17-k or
> 73-aa??
>
>
> =====
> Regards
>
> Mike Hodder
> mike468hodder@yahoo.com
>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Roger M,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> You and I also have an advantage
over Mike with respect to getting the feel for how common the common coins
are. Mike sees normally the nicer coins that are worthy of being consigned
or sold over the counter. We, on the otherhand, see many many common coins
in low grade in our travels. I'm making some assumptions in this
statement. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ray W</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=rogermoore435@yahoo.com href="mailto:rogermoore435@yahoo.com">Roger
Moore</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:27
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] NJ
17-K overstruck on Connecticut</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>Mike, I agree to some extent. However, you have
a<BR>personal data base that is very valuable with the<BR>rating of each coin
by a single observer. I think the<BR>previous discussions of having
photographs of the "top<BR>ten" coins in any variety would be very heplful
for<BR>those that have not viewed all the coins personally. <BR>As has been
emphasized in the past, even by Ray who<BR>was doing the CC for NJs, the
condition is in the eye<BR>of the beholder. Therefore MY net grade for a
coin<BR>and my ordering of the coins in a CC may be very<BR>different from
yours. Though there is nothing as<BR>important as personal inspection of
each coin, a<BR>photographic file for each variety would be a very<BR>helpful
adjunct to the present "flip a coin" rating<BR>system. Also, the R-6 and
R-7s of today are the R-4<BR>and R-5s of tomorrow. Just my
thoughts. Roger<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>--- Mike Hodder
<mike468hodder@yahoo.com> wrote:<BR>> Ray, Jeff, et al:<BR>>
<BR>> When you're dealing with "rarities" like R-4 and<BR>> R-5,<BR>>
I submit there's no way to be precise since those<BR>> targets are broad
and moving because no census<BR>> exists<BR>> that accounts for them
all. I base my census<BR>> estimates<BR>> on the number of specimens
I've seen or had reliably<BR>> reported to me. Mileage may vary for others,
of<BR>> course. As for what I wrote in Ford I about 17-K and<BR>> 73-aa,
I'd seen 33 of the latter and called it an<BR>> R-4+, 45 of the former and
called it an R-4. In my<BR>> opinion, neither are rare whatever you rate
them at<BR>> as<BR>> there are enough to go around. Ditto for an R-5.
I<BR>> consider R-6 to be scarce. It's only when you get to<BR>> R-6+
that you start talking about a rating that's<BR>> really significant and
whose census requires<BR>> precision. <BR>> <BR>> -- Ray Williams
<njraywms@optonline.net> wrote:<BR>> > Jeff,<BR>>
> There are a couple rarities given in Ford
that<BR>> I<BR>> > may not be in total agreement with. Rarity
is a<BR>> > guess at how many exist. Until every NJ is<BR>>
> accounted for, rarity will not be a precise<BR>> science.<BR>> >
Ray W<BR>> > ----- Original Message ----- <BR>>
> From: Rosaamltd@aol.com <BR>> > To:
colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com <BR>> > Sent: Saturday,
January 17, 2004 11:22 PM<BR>> > Subject: Re: [Colonial
Numismatics] NJ 17-K<BR>> > overstruck on Connecticut<BR>> >
<BR>> > In a message dated 1/17/2004 11:38:27 AM
Pacific<BR>> > Standard Time, mantoloking2002@yahoo.com writes:<BR>>
> William,<BR>> > <BR>>
> Both Taylor and Ford have it as an R-4, I
see<BR>> no<BR>> > reason to disagree with that assessment. Anton
has<BR>> > an R-4 as 76-150. I think I have seen about 35 of<BR>>
> them.<BR>> > <BR>> > Roger<BR>>
> The fun part about rarity ratings though -- the<BR>> >
73-aa, for instance, is also called an R-4 in<BR>> Ford. <BR>> >
Which variety have you seen more of, 17-k or<BR>> 73-aa??<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> =====<BR>> Regards<BR>> <BR>> Mike Hodder<BR>>
mike468hodder@yahoo.com<BR>>
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