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- From mariobyrge@comcast.net Mon Mar 15 15:26:21 2004
Return-Path: <mariobyrge@comcast.net> X-Sender: mariobyrge@comcast.net X-Apparently-To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 10407 invoked from network); 15 Mar 2004 23:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 15 Mar 2004 23:26:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.83) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Mar 2004 23:26:20 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.140] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 15 Mar 2004 23:26:20 -0000 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:26:19 -0000 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <c35e2r+1d45@eGroups.com> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 2956 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster X-eGroups-Remote-IP: 66.218.66.83 From: "Mario Byrge" <mariobyrge@comcast.net> X-Originating-IP: 68.43.146.39 Subject: THE BONHAMS NEW ENGLAND VI. FORGERY VERSUS COPY X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=160753362 X-Yahoo-Profile: jsuis2003
COINWORLD ISSUE OF MARCH 22, 2004 HAS PROVIDED THE RESULTS OF THE BONHAMS NEW ENGLAND VI. AFTER UPON CLOSE EXAMINATION, THE VERDICT OF THAT THIS IS A "COPY" TYPE AND NOT GENUINE,......HMMMMM,.......ALTHOUGH, THIS EXAMPLE FROM ENGLAND WAS RENDERED A COPY TYPE,........THE ARTISTIC QUALITY OF THESE DIES ARE EXTREMELY CLOSE,.......BUT NOT RECOGNIZED BY RESEARCHERS OF THIS SERIES. AS FOR ME, I DO NOT HAVE THIS DIE COMBINATION ON RECORD OF A FORGERY-COPY,........SO TO SAY THE LEAST, IT IS NEW FOR MY RECORDS. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, STACKS WAS DISIGNATED TO SELL THIS COPY IN JANUARY OF 2005,....BY WHOM, BONHAMS HAS ENTRUSTED FOR THIS AUCTION. I SINCERLY WISH THAT I COULD HAVE THE PRIVELEDGE OF SEEING THIS COIN INPERSON. I THINK THAT IT IS IMPORTANT ENOUGH TO FURTHER PURSUE,............REMARKABLY, I AGREE THAT THIS COPY IS NOT ANYTHING MODERN,........BUT MORE THAN LIKELY STRUCK IN THE 1850's,......PRE- CIVIL WAR ERA. ANOTHER INTERESTING POINT TOO PONDER IS,......I SUSPECT THAT THIS SHOULD BE RULED A "FORGERY" AND NOT A "COPY" AS SOME OF THE RESEARCHERS HAD POINTED OUT. A FORGERY INDEED, BASED ON THE FACT THAT THIS IS CURRENTLY, THE ONLY SPECIMEN OF THIS NEAR CLOSE DIE COMBINATION,........AND TOO, THAT IT WAS STRUCK FROM DIE PUNCH IN THE RIGHTFUL HEAD-TO-TOE ALIGNMENT. IT SEEMS THAT THIS ARTICLE EMPHASIS ON THE FACT OF THE COINS FABRIC,.......THUS FURTHER TESTING,.......NON DESTRUCTIVE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE,.......THIS WAY, WE CAN HAVE A RECORD OF THE EXACT METAL CONTENT,......IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT FACT, FOR AS IF ANY OTHER SHOULD ARISE, EITHER BY THE SAME IDENTICAL DIE COMBINATION OR PERHAPS A DIFFERENT DIE PAIRING, THUS WE CAN THEN PLACE A DATE OF MANUFACTURE TO IT. WITH MY EXPERIENCE OF RECORDING FORGERY TYPES OF MASSACHUSETTS SILVER COINAGE,........I WOULD NOT OVER-RULE THE PRE CIVIL WAR ERA FOR THIS PARTICULAR STRUCK EXAMPLE. IF THERE WAS TO BE A DESIGNATION FOR COMPARISON ONLY WITH A GENUINE NEW ENGLAND VI,.......THEN THE DIES ITSELF WOULD CLOSELY RESEMBLE THE "ROPER" SPECIMEN,......IE; THIN REVERSE ROMAN NUMERIAL "VI" AS OPPOSED TO THE GARRETT COIN. I PERSONALY THINK THAT IF THIS EXAMPLE WAS RESTED FOR METAL CONTENT, THEN I WOULD NOT BE A BIT SURPRISED TO SEE A SMALL PERCENTAGE,..PERHAPS 2% TO 6% TIN,.......WHICH ALLOYED INTO SILVER WOULD MAKE THE SURFACES MORE SUSCEPTABLE FOR CORROSION FROM NATURES ELEMENTS,.....THUS DETERING ANY DOUBTS ABOUT OTHER THAN GENUINE. MY CONCLUSION IS THAT I BELIEVE THIS TO BE A UNIQUE FORGERY FOR PRESENT,.........FORGED BY A HAND TO EVENTUSALLY SELL AS A GENUINE SPECIMEN, RATHER THAN A COPY THAT IF IT WAS, THEN THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN OTHERS THAT WOULD HAVE TURNED UP IN THE PAST. IF IT COULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK MIKE HODDER IF THERE IS ANY WAY ON SEEING IF BONHAMS WOULD TAKE $700 TO $1000 FOR IT BEFORE AUCTION,..........AND 15% SELLING FEE TO STACKS. I DEFINITLY WOULD BE INTERESTED IN THIS EXAMPLE! REGARDS MARIO mariobyrge@comcast.net
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