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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: {Possible SPAM} [Colonial Numismatics] St Patrick - African
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Stan,
I just received permission to post the text to this egroup. Will do so when I figure out how... whether to scan the pages or retype the text. I'll ask Diane tonight.
Ray
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From: Stan Stephens
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: {Possible SPAM} [Colonial Numismatics] St Patrick - African
Ray,
Share. Those who don't want it don't have to access it.
Stan
>>> njraywms@optonline.net 03/20/04 8:44 PM >>>
Steve,
I can't believe I found it so quickly. It's a 7 page pamphlet.
Email your address privately and I'll mail it to you
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Frank
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Happy St. Patrick's With a Nimbus
I've been to Georgia. You don't have to be in a monastery to live like
a monk.
I'd like to see his study Ray. I would then love to presnt these
facts to the Hibernian Club on St. Patricks day around 4PM after
everyone is tuned up. In particular to the oldtime members after they
are half in the bag. I think they would welcome these thoughts for
review as very few seem to have racial issues.(yea...right)
It is an interesting idea Ray....I always thought he was a Goomba....
Steve
Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net> wrote:
Steve,
My Mom's uncle is a Monk in a monastery in Georgia. He did some
research on St Patrick and has come to the conclusion that St Patrick
came from Africa and was most likely not Caucasian. I have a pamphlet
he wrote on the subject.
Ray
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Frank
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Happy St. Patrick's With a
Nimbus
John and Mike,
My knowledge in this area is poor to say the least. I am, however,
enjoying the thread. I found many more google "hits" using the
spelling "miter".
All of the sites I visited agree that the miter St. Patrick wears
in this and other depictions was not invented for another 500 years
after he walked the Earth, although another soft, flat type of miter may
have existed.
Who knows?? Perhaps the second cross was added to the Roman style
miter to show that Episcopalians were twice as righteous as there
Catholic counterparts. I doubt if it's as simple as this, but if the
Shamrock was added later to represent the trinity.....why not??
Steve
PS - Interesting link below to "St. Patrick myths" site
http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:NNSzPrqHDNMJ:www.enya.org/stories/story07.htm+%22st.+Patrick%22+%22miter%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stan,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I just received permission to
post the text to this egroup. Will do so when I figure out how...
whether to scan the pages or retype the text. I'll ask Diane
tonight.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ray</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=sstephens@hsc.wvu.edu href="mailto:sstephens@hsc.wvu.edu">Stan
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:53
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: {Possible SPAM} [Colonial
Numismatics] St Patrick - African</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>Ray,<BR>Share. Those who don't want it don't have to access
it.<BR>Stan<BR><BR>>>> <A
href="mailto:njraywms@optonline.net">njraywms@optonline.net</A> 03/20/04 8:44
PM >>><BR>Steve,<BR> I can't believe I found it so
quickly. It's a 7 page pamphlet. <BR>Email your address privately and
I'll mail it to you<BR> ----- Original Message ----- <BR> From:
Steve Frank <BR> To: <A
href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>
<BR> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:58 PM<BR> Subject: Re:
[Colonial Numismatics] Happy St. Patrick's With a Nimbus<BR><BR><BR>
I've been to Georgia. You don't have to be in a monastery to live like<BR>a
monk. <BR> I'd like to see his study Ray. I would then love
to presnt these<BR>facts to the Hibernian Club on St. Patricks day around 4PM
after<BR>everyone is tuned up. In particular to the oldtime members after
they<BR>are half in the bag. I think they would welcome these thoughts
for<BR>review as very few seem to have racial
issues.(yea...right)<BR><BR> It is an interesting idea Ray....I always
thought he was a Goomba....<BR>
<BR>
Steve<BR><BR><BR><BR> Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
wrote:<BR>
Steve,<BR> My Mom's uncle is a Monk
in a monastery in Georgia. He did some<BR>research on St Patrick and has
come to the conclusion that St Patrick<BR>came from Africa and was most likely
not Caucasian. I have a pamphlet<BR>he wrote on the
subject.<BR> Ray<BR> -----
Original Message ----- <BR> From: Steve Frank
<BR> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
<BR> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 4:15
PM<BR> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Happy
St. Patrick's With a<BR>Nimbus<BR><BR><BR> John
and Mike,<BR> My knowledge in this area is poor
to say the least. I am, however,<BR>enjoying the thread. I found many
more google "hits" using the<BR>spelling "miter".
<BR> All of the sites I visited agree that the
miter St. Patrick wears<BR>in this and other depictions was not invented for
another 500 years<BR>after he walked the Earth, although another soft, flat
type of miter may<BR>have existed. <BR>
Who knows?? Perhaps the second cross was added to the Roman style<BR>miter to
show that Episcopalians were twice as righteous as there<BR>Catholic
counterparts. I doubt if it's as simple as this, but if the<BR>Shamrock was
added later to represent the trinity.....why not??
<BR><BR>
Steve<BR><BR> PS - Interesting link below to
"St. Patrick myths" site<BR><BR> <BR><A
href="http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:NNSzPrqHDNMJ:www.enya.org/stories/story07.htm+%22st.+Patrick%22+%22miter%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8">http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:NNSzPrqHDNMJ:www.enya.org/stories/story07.htm+%22st.+Patrick%22+%22miter%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8</A><BR><BR>
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