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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
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I was not aware of any copper coinage that traded in commerce by weight. (Except those hugh Sweedish bars)
Ray
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From: mario
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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
I PLACED A BID ON THAT CONTEMPORARY COUNTERFEIT,.......IT APPEARS THAT THE LEGEND MAYBE "RUNIC" INWHICH IT WOULD BE IRISH. I REFERENCED THAT COIN AGAINST "IRISH SLAP TOKENS" AND CAME UP WITH NOTHING IN THAT DESIGN STAGE AT ALL. TO ME, IT APPEARS TO BE A "BARTER" TOKEN THAT WOULD CARRY THE VALUE BY THE WEIGHT OF THE COPPER,......OFTEN, THEY WERE ISSUED DURING A DEPRESSION OR ECONOMIC CALAPSE.
I AGREE WITH CLEM, THAT PRICE IS A BARGAIN. WHEN I PLACED MY BID,......I THOUGHT THE VIEWERS WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHAT IT IS,..SO I THOUGHT,..........OH WELL,..............ONLY IF WE CAN PREDICT!
MARIO
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From: Byron Weston
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Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:04 PM
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Kleeberg"
<jmkleeberg@y...> wrote:
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank
> <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote:
> could it have bought more if noticed by more people?? Or did the
two
> high bidders just go real high and the winner got stuck??? anyone
> know??? Thanks. Steve
>
> I don't know about the price, but it may not be totally crazy. I
> know very little about these things, other than that: they are
> Irish, they are rare, they circulated in Ireland in the early
> nineteenth century, they are penny size (as opposed to most
> counterfeits, which are halfpenny size), they are made to look
> crude, there is an example of one in the American Numismatic
Society
> collection (but I can't find it on the database at the moment), and
> there is some article that mentions them in the British Numismatic
> Journal, but I don't know the exact reference. I believe the
> younger group (Vicken, John K. or Eric C.) know more about this
than
> I do - it was from one of them that I learned about the BNJ article.
>
> It's like those crude Irish counterfeit shillings - all I can do
> about those is to say, "Ah, a slap token," in a knowing voice, but
> that's about the extent of my knowledge.
>
> John M. Kleeberg
An obvious imitation of the 1805-6 Irish designs, John, but it could
have been made in either Ireland or Britain, likely Britain though.
Just an opinion.
Byron
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I was not aware of any copper coinage that traded
in commerce by weight. (Except those hugh Sweedish bars)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ray</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=mariobyrge@comcast.net href="mailto:mariobyrge@comcast.net">mario</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 05, 2004 7:28
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re:
What is this??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I PLACED A BID ON THAT CONTEMPORARY
COUNTERFEIT,.......IT APPEARS THAT THE LEGEND MAYBE "RUNIC" INWHICH IT WOULD
BE IRISH. I REFERENCED THAT COIN AGAINST "IRISH SLAP TOKENS" AND CAME UP WITH
NOTHING IN THAT DESIGN STAGE AT ALL. TO ME, IT APPEARS TO BE A "BARTER" TOKEN
THAT WOULD CARRY THE VALUE BY THE WEIGHT OF THE COPPER,......OFTEN, THEY WERE
ISSUED DURING A DEPRESSION OR ECONOMIC CALAPSE.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I AGREE WITH CLEM, THAT PRICE IS A BARGAIN. WHEN
I PLACED MY BID,......I THOUGHT THE VIEWERS WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHAT IT
IS,..SO I THOUGHT,..........OH WELL,..............ONLY IF WE CAN
PREDICT!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>MARIO</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=bkw11@psu.edu href="mailto:bkw11@psu.edu">Byron Weston</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, April 05, 2004 4:04
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Colonial Numismatics] Re:
What is this??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>--- In <A
href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>,
"John M. Kleeberg" <BR><<A
href="mailto:jmkleeberg@y">jmkleeberg@y</A>...> wrote:<BR>> --- In <A
href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>,
Steve Frank <BR>> <<A
href="mailto:taxi_steve929@y">taxi_steve929@y</A>...> wrote:<BR>>
could it have bought more if noticed by more people?? Or did the <BR>two
<BR>> high bidders just go real high and the winner got stuck??? anyone
<BR>> know??? Thanks. Steve<BR>> <BR>> I don't know about the
price, but it may not be totally crazy. I <BR>> know very little
about these things, other than that: they are <BR>> Irish, they are rare,
they circulated in Ireland in the early <BR>> nineteenth century, they
are penny size (as opposed to most <BR>> counterfeits, which are
halfpenny size), they are made to look <BR>> crude, there is an example
of one in the American Numismatic <BR>Society <BR>> collection (but I
can't find it on the database at the moment), and <BR>> there is some
article that mentions them in the British Numismatic <BR>> Journal, but I
don't know the exact reference. I believe the <BR>> younger group
(Vicken, John K. or Eric C.) know more about this <BR>than <BR>> I do -
it was from one of them that I learned about the BNJ article.<BR>>
<BR>> It's like those crude Irish counterfeit shillings - all I can do
<BR>> about those is to say, "Ah, a slap token," in a knowing voice, but
<BR>> that's about the extent of my knowledge.<BR>> <BR>> John M.
Kleeberg<BR><BR>An obvious imitation of the 1805-6 Irish designs, John, but
it could <BR>have been made in either Ireland or Britain, likely Britain
though.<BR>Just an opinion.<BR>Byron<BR><BR></TT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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