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From: Ray Williams <njraywms@optonline.net>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
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Isn't that about halfpenny size?
Ray
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From: mario
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
HI JOHN;
I BELIEVE IT WAS ROUGHLY 29mm,....
MARIO
----- Original Message -----
From: John Lorenzo
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:36 AM
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
Mario - What was the size in mm of the Blacksmith Penny in Taylor????
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "mario" <mariobyrge@c...>
wrote:
> RAY;
> YES, SWEDEN TRADED IN BARS. SOME TOWNS IN IRELAND ADAPTED
A "BARTER" IN TOKEN,.......SLAP TOKENS IS ONE OF THE MEANS. HOWEVER,
THIS COIN IS NOT A SLAP TOKEN,..........IT MORE THAN LIKELY WAS
A "LOCAL" TOKEN AND NOT HONORED IN TRADE THROUGHOUT ALL OF IRELAND.
ALSO DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, IRELAND WAS DIVIDED IN POLITICAL
CONTROL. I WOULD GUESS THAT THIS TOKEN OR COIN,..EVER HOW YOU WANT TO
LOOK AT IT, WAS SPARCELY PRODUCED WITHIN A LOCAL AREA,........MOST
LIKELY IN NORTHERN IRELAND,.........
> MARIO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ray Williams
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:29 PM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
>
>
> I was not aware of any copper coinage that traded in commerce by
weight. (Except those hugh Sweedish bars)
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mario
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
>
>
> I PLACED A BID ON THAT CONTEMPORARY COUNTERFEIT,.......IT
APPEARS THAT THE LEGEND MAYBE "RUNIC" INWHICH IT WOULD BE IRISH. I
REFERENCED THAT COIN AGAINST "IRISH SLAP TOKENS" AND CAME UP WITH
NOTHING IN THAT DESIGN STAGE AT ALL. TO ME, IT APPEARS TO BE
A "BARTER" TOKEN THAT WOULD CARRY THE VALUE BY THE WEIGHT OF THE
COPPER,......OFTEN, THEY WERE ISSUED DURING A DEPRESSION OR ECONOMIC
CALAPSE.
> I AGREE WITH CLEM, THAT PRICE IS A BARGAIN. WHEN I PLACED MY
BID,......I THOUGHT THE VIEWERS WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHAT IT IS,..SO I
THOUGHT,..........OH WELL,..............ONLY IF WE CAN PREDICT!
> MARIO
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Byron Weston
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:04 PM
> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Kleeberg"
> <jmkleeberg@y...> wrote:
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank
> > <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote:
> > could it have bought more if noticed by more people?? Or
did the
> two
> > high bidders just go real high and the winner got stuck???
anyone
> > know??? Thanks. Steve
> >
> > I don't know about the price, but it may not be totally
crazy. I
> > know very little about these things, other than that: they
are
> > Irish, they are rare, they circulated in Ireland in the
early
> > nineteenth century, they are penny size (as opposed to most
> > counterfeits, which are halfpenny size), they are made to
look
> > crude, there is an example of one in the American
Numismatic
> Society
> > collection (but I can't find it on the database at the
moment), and
> > there is some article that mentions them in the British
Numismatic
> > Journal, but I don't know the exact reference. I believe
the
> > younger group (Vicken, John K. or Eric C.) know more about
this
> than
> > I do - it was from one of them that I learned about the BNJ
article.
> >
> > It's like those crude Irish counterfeit shillings - all I
can do
> > about those is to say, "Ah, a slap token," in a knowing
voice, but
> > that's about the extent of my knowledge.
> >
> > John M. Kleeberg
>
> An obvious imitation of the 1805-6 Irish designs, John, but
it could
> have been made in either Ireland or Britain, likely Britain
though.
> Just an opinion.
> Byron
>
>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Isn't that about halfpenny size?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ray</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:10
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re:
What is this??</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>HI JOHN;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I BELIEVE IT WAS ROUGHLY 29mm,....
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>MARIO</FONT></DIV>
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<A title=jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com href="mailto:jlorenzo@ob.ilww.com">John
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:36
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Colonial Numismatics] Re:
What is this??</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>Mario - What was the size in mm of the Blacksmith Penny
in Taylor????<BR><BR>--- In <A
href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>,
"mario" <<A href="mailto:mariobyrge@c">mariobyrge@c</A>...>
<BR>wrote:<BR>> RAY;<BR>> YES, SWEDEN TRADED IN BARS. SOME TOWNS IN
IRELAND ADAPTED <BR>A "BARTER" IN TOKEN,.......SLAP TOKENS IS ONE OF THE
MEANS. HOWEVER, <BR>THIS COIN IS NOT A SLAP TOKEN,..........IT MORE THAN
LIKELY WAS <BR>A "LOCAL" TOKEN AND NOT HONORED IN TRADE THROUGHOUT ALL OF
IRELAND. <BR>ALSO DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, IRELAND WAS DIVIDED IN POLITICAL
<BR>CONTROL. I WOULD GUESS THAT THIS TOKEN OR COIN,..EVER HOW YOU WANT TO
<BR>LOOK AT IT, WAS SPARCELY PRODUCED WITHIN A LOCAL AREA,........MOST
<BR>LIKELY IN NORTHERN IRELAND,.........<BR>> MARIO<BR>>
----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: Ray Williams
<BR>> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com <BR>>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:29 PM<BR>> Subject: Re:
[Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> I was not aware of any copper coinage that traded in
commerce by <BR>weight. (Except those hugh Sweedish
bars)<BR>> Ray<BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> From: mario
<BR>> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
<BR>> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:28
PM<BR>> Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re:
What is this??<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> I PLACED A
BID ON THAT CONTEMPORARY COUNTERFEIT,.......IT <BR>APPEARS THAT THE LEGEND
MAYBE "RUNIC" INWHICH IT WOULD BE IRISH. I <BR>REFERENCED THAT COIN AGAINST
"IRISH SLAP TOKENS" AND CAME UP WITH <BR>NOTHING IN THAT DESIGN STAGE AT
ALL. TO ME, IT APPEARS TO BE <BR>A "BARTER" TOKEN THAT WOULD CARRY THE VALUE
BY THE WEIGHT OF THE <BR>COPPER,......OFTEN, THEY WERE ISSUED DURING A
DEPRESSION OR ECONOMIC <BR>CALAPSE.<BR>> I AGREE
WITH CLEM, THAT PRICE IS A BARGAIN. WHEN I PLACED MY <BR>BID,......I THOUGHT
THE VIEWERS WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHAT IT IS,..SO I <BR>THOUGHT,..........OH
WELL,..............ONLY IF WE CAN PREDICT!<BR>>
MARIO<BR>> ----- Original Message
----- <BR>> From: Byron Weston
<BR>> To:
colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com <BR>>
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:04
PM<BR>> Subject: [Colonial
Numismatics] Re: What is this??<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> --- In
colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "John M. Kleeberg"
<BR>> <jmkleeberg@y...>
wrote:<BR>> > --- In
colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Steve Frank
<BR>> > <taxi_steve929@y...>
wrote:<BR>> > could it have bought
more if noticed by more people?? Or <BR>did the
<BR>> two
<BR>> > high bidders just go real
high and the winner got stuck??? <BR>anyone
<BR>> > know??? Thanks.
Steve<BR>> >
<BR>> > I don't know about the
price, but it may not be totally <BR>crazy. I
<BR>> > know very little about
these things, other than that: they <BR>are
<BR>> > Irish, they are rare, they
circulated in Ireland in the <BR>early
<BR>> > nineteenth century, they
are penny size (as opposed to most
<BR>> > counterfeits, which are
halfpenny size), they are made to <BR>look
<BR>> > crude, there is an example
of one in the American <BR>Numismatic
<BR>> Society
<BR>> > collection (but I can't
find it on the database at the <BR>moment), and
<BR>> > there is some article that
mentions them in the British <BR>Numismatic
<BR>> > Journal, but I don't know
the exact reference. I believe <BR>the
<BR>> > younger group (Vicken,
John K. or Eric C.) know more about <BR>this
<BR>> than
<BR>> > I do - it was from one of
them that I learned about the BNJ
<BR>article.<BR>> >
<BR>> > It's like those crude
Irish counterfeit shillings - all I <BR>can do
<BR>> > about those is to say,
"Ah, a slap token," in a knowing <BR>voice, but
<BR>> > that's about the extent of
my knowledge.<BR>> >
<BR>> > John M. Kleeberg<BR>>
<BR>> An obvious imitation of the
1805-6 Irish designs, John, but <BR>it could
<BR>> have been made in either
Ireland or Britain, likely Britain
<BR>though.<BR>> Just an
opinion.<BR>> Byron<BR>> <BR>>
<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>
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