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...and trustworthy,loyal helpful, friendly, c........ ,kind,=20
obedient, cheerful, thrifty, brave , clean and reverent - as you know.
Nevertheless when 12-14 year old girls come to me for the first time=20
on the court all are basically non-agressive and some being=20
athletic ... without aggresivess or INTENSITY the winning aspect is=20
never achieved ... although winning at this level is important but=20
not everything ... as they say ... being succesful as John Wooden=20
once said is a better term in this scenario and is a better=20
communicative way of accomplishing each coaches mission=20
statement...whatever that may be with 12-14 year old kids at this=20
level in your program.
Courteous - maybe keeping your mouths shut girls when the coach talks=20
does come into play.
Some people consider Bobby Knight rude ... to me he is just a very=20
intense perfectionist that does not like losing - EVER. So he throws=20
a chair around ...once in awhile.

--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "palmers4@e..."=20
<palmers4@e...> wrote:
> Instilling a desire to win is fine. JUST being aggressive usually=20
finds you
> on your butt more often than not. There is always someone bigger,=20
and more
> aggressive out there. Can I assume then that the Scout Law is no=20
longer a
> part of your thinking? A Scout is Courteous, for one. David
>=20
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: John Lorenzo jlorenzo@o...
> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 12:06:51 -0000
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
>=20
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> <html><body>
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> <tt>
> I prefer to coach middle school basketball and instill=20
agressiveness 
> rather than become a scoutmaster and instill politeness. Many will=20
 
> have a field day with this one ... like MR. Weston. 
> 
> It seems with the purchase and confirmation of specimen #7 in the=20
 
> Penny denomination in this so-called Antonian Forgotten field that=20
 
> this collecting area today is no longer a "forgotten one" but=20
surging 
> quickly to the current status and prestige of colonial State=20
Coppers. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "palmers4@e..." 
> <palmers4@e...> wrote: 
> > John, You may be ex-Troop 696, but you ARE an Eagle Scout. Once=20
an 
> Eagle 
> > always an Eagle, unless you gave it back for some reason. 
> Massapequa Park, 
> > huh? Yup, virtually right around the corner, and down the street.=20
 
> David 
> > 
> > Original Message: 
> > ----------------- 
> > From:=A0 johnmenc@o... 
> > Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2004 00:06:48 -0000 
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
> > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this?? 
> > 
> > 
> > <html><body> 
> > 
> > 
> > <tt> 
> > You can never please everybody... and there is always two sides=20
to 
> 
> > every post as to why dealers rarely post and when they do with=20
much 
> 
> > caution Mr. Palmer. 
> > 
> > John Lorenzo 
> > Ex. Eagle Scout Troop 696 
> > Massapequa Park, NY (in your neck of the woods ...sort=20
of...excuse 
> 
> > the pun). 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "palmers4@e..." 
> > <palmers4@e...> wrote: 
> > > John, Could I ask you a big favor? I was taught that it is rude=20
 
> to 
> > refer to 
> > > people by their last names only, unless you add a MR. or other=20
 
> 
> > salutation. 
> > > You refer to "Weston", and "Anton" in your post, and I would=20
ask 
> 
> > that you 
> > > maybe add Mr. in front of that, or possibly call them by their=20
 
> 
> > first names? 
> > > Just my upbringing, but my father is VERY emphatic about the=20
 
> > rudeness of 
> > > that. I go thru it with Scouts in my Boy scout Troop all the=20
 
> time, 
> > so it's 
> > > not just you. Thanks, David 
> > > 
> > > Original Message: 
> > > ----------------- 
> > > From: John Lorenzo jlorenzo@o... 
> > > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:18:54 -0000 
> > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this?? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > <html><body> 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > <tt> 
> > > Unfortunately - I am Taylor-less as I donated my copy to WSR=20
 
> awhile 
> > 
> > > back. The reverse shield on this specimen is similar to one=20
other 
> 
> > 
> > > Blacksmith style Irish penny in my collection. As Weston has=20
 
> 
> > > suggested the six known Blacksmith Penny's as with the Baker=20
 
> $5,000 
> > 
> > > specimen example were probably products of English manufacturer=20
 
> 
> > based 
> > > on my research of provenance tracking of previous owners. The=20
 
> only 
> > 
> > > inference to Blacksmith here is the extreme crudeness of the=20
 
> > specimen 
> > > and the haphazard placement of Oppenheim of the Baker coin to=20
the 
> 
> > 
> > > Blacksmith family in 1987 of the first recorded/viewed penny=20
size 
> 
> > 
> > > specimen. Of the six currently known specimens I have owned=20
three 
> 
> > and 
> > > I sold one to Anton and have personally viewed the three other=20
 
> 
> > known 
> > > specimens. The remaining three are the 1987 Baker-LI Collection=20
 
> 
> > coin, 
> > > the ANS specimen and a duplicate to the Baker coin which was=20
 
> found 
> > by 
> > > a Canadian dealer which is a duplacate of the Baker coin based=20
on 
> 
> > 
> > > plate comparisons of obverse/reverse dies which I viewed at an=20
 
> ANA 
> > in 
> > > Philly a couple of years back. Of the three all were of an 
> English 
> > 
> > > provenance or cherried in England by Paul Bosco and Jimmy 
> King. 
> > > My point is the craftmanship and Irish shield design on the=20
sole 
> 
> > 
> > > Irish Blacksmith-Style penny still in my collection is VERY 
> similar 
> > 
> > > to this specimen and based on the seller's inference in inches=20
 
> this 
> > 
> > > specimen approximates out at around 35 mm (penny size 
> planchet). 
> > > Since a regal English penny measures 34 mm from this period=20
based 
> 
> > on 
> > > a quick check this is probably the seventh recorded=20
specimen ... 
> 
> > 
> > > assuming Fuld & Tayman have not recorded any further types in=20
the 
> 
> > 
> > > Bank of Canada Montreal collection. 
> > > Yeah ... we blew it ... a lousy $500-600 on this 
> > penny "blacksmith." 
> > > 
> > > HMMMMMMM.... 
> > > 
> > > Down try to downplay it Weston ... it will not work with me.=20
 
> SUPER 
> > 
> > > COIN!!! Just keep dreaming on your triple struck UNC Irish ...=20
as 
> 
> > you 
> > > just did a few moments ago! 
> > > 
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray Williams 
> <njraywms@o...> 
> > 
> > > wrote: 
> > > > Isn't that about halfpenny size? 
> > > > Ray 
> > > >=A0=A0 ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >=A0=A0 From: mario 
> > > >=A0=A0 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
> > > >=A0=A0 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:10 AM 
> > > >=A0=A0 Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >=A0=A0 HI JOHN; 
> > > >=A0=A0 I BELIEVE IT WAS ROUGHLY 29mm,.... 
> > > >=A0=A0 MARIO 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 From: John Lorenzo 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 7:36 AM 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is this??
 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Mario - What was the size in mm of the Blacksmith Penny=
=20
in 
> 
> > 
> > > Taylor???? 
> > > > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "mario"=20
 
> > > <mariobyrge@c...> 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 wrote: 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > RAY; 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > YES, SWEDEN TRADED IN BARS. SOME TOWNS IN IRELAND=20
ADAPTED 
> 
> > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 A "BARTER" IN TOKEN,.......SLAP TOKENS IS ONE OF THE=20
MEANS. 
> 
> > 
> > > HOWEVER, 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 THIS COIN IS NOT A SLAP TOKEN,..........IT MORE THAN=20
LIKELY 
> 
> > WAS 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 A "LOCAL" TOKEN AND NOT HONORED IN TRADE THROUGHOUT ALL=
=20
OF 
> 
> > 
> > > IRELAND. 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 ALSO DURING THIS TIME PERIOD, IRELAND WAS DIVIDED IN=20
 
> > POLITICAL 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 CONTROL. I WOULD GUESS THAT THIS TOKEN OR COIN,..EVER H=
OW=20
 
> YOU 
> > 
> > > WANT TO 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 LOOK AT IT, WAS SPARCELY PRODUCED WITHIN A LOCAL=20
 
> > > AREA,........MOST 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 LIKELY IN NORTHERN IRELAND,......... 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > MARIO 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0 ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0 From: Ray Williams 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 8:29 PM <BR=
>
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0 Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: What is=
this??
 
> 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0 I was not aware of any copper coinage that trad=
ed in=20
 
> 
> > > commerce by 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 weight.=A0 (Except those hugh Sweedish bars) <BR=
>
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0 Ray 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 From: mario 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com <B=
R> 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 7:28 PM <=
BR> 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: W=
hat is=20
this?? 
> 
> > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 I PLACED A BID ON THAT CONTEMPORARY <=
BR>
> > COUNTERFEIT,.......IT 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 APPEARS THAT THE LEGEND MAYBE "RUNIC" INWHICH IT WOULD =
BE=20
 
> 
> > > IRISH. I 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 REFERENCED THAT COIN AGAINST "IRISH SLAP TOKENS" AND CA=
ME=20
 
> UP 
> > 
> > > WITH 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 NOTHING IN THAT DESIGN STAGE AT ALL. TO ME, IT APPEARS =
TO=20
 
> BE 
> > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 A "BARTER" TOKEN THAT WOULD CARRY THE VALUE BY THE WEIG=
HT=20
 
> OF 
> > 
> > > THE 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 COPPER,......OFTEN, THEY WERE ISSUED DURING A DEPRESSIO=
N=20
OR 
> 
> > 
> > > ECONOMIC 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 CALAPSE. 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 I AGREE WITH CLEM, THAT PRICE IS A BARGAI=
N. WHEN I=20
 
> 
> > PLACED 
> > > MY 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 BID,......I THOUGHT THE VIEWERS WOULD NOT RECOGNIZE WHA=
T=20
IT 
> 
> > 
> > > IS,..SO I 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 THOUGHT,..........OH WELL,..............ONLY IF WE CAN=
=20
 
> > PREDICT! 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0 MARIO 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 ----- Original Message ----- <B=
R> 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 From: Byron Weston 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com =
 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:04 P=
M 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re:=
What is this??
 
> 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.c=
om, "John M.=20
 
> 
> > > Kleeberg" 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 <jmkleeberg@y...> wrote: <BR=
>
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups=
.com, Steve=20
 
> Frank 
> > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > <taxi_steve929@y...> wrote: <B=
R> 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > could it have bought more if noti=
ced by more=20
 
> > people?? 
> > > Or 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 did the 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 two 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > high bidders just go real high an=
d the winner=20
got 
> 
> > 
> > > stuck??? 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 anyone 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > know??? Thanks. Steve 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > I don't know about the price, but=
it may not be=20
 
> 
> > > totally 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 crazy.=A0 I 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > know very little about these thin=
gs, other than=20
 
> 
> > that: 
> > > they 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 are 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > Irish, they are rare, they circul=
ated in=20
Ireland 
> in 
> > 
> > > the 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 early 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > nineteenth century, they are penn=
y size (as 
> opposed 
> > 
> > > to most 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > counterfeits, which are halfpenny=
size), they=20
are 
> 
> > 
> > > made to 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 look 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > crude, there is an example of one=
in the=20
American 
> 
> > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Numismatic 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Society 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > collection (but I can't find it o=
n the database=20
 
> at 
> > 
> > > the 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 moment), and 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > there is some article that mentio=
ns them in the=20
 
> 
> > > British 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Numismatic 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > Journal, but I don't know the exa=
ct reference.=A0=20
I 
> 
> > 
> > > believe 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 the 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > younger group (Vicken, John K. or=
Eric C.) know=20
 
> 
> > more 
> > > about 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 this 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 than 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > I do - it was from one of them th=
at I learned=20
 
> about 
> > 
> > > the BNJ 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 article. 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > It's like those crude Irish count=
erfeit 
> shillings - 
> > 
> > > all I 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 can do 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > about those is to say, "Ah, a sla=
p token," in a=20
 
> 
> > > knowing 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 voice, but 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > that's about the extent of my=20
knowledge. 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 > John M. Kleeberg 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 An obvious imitation of the 1805-6 =
Irish designs,=20
 
> 
> > John, 
> > > but 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 it could 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 have been made in either Ireland or=
Britain,=20
likely 
> 
> > 
> > > Britain 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 though. 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Just an opinion. 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Byron 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 > -----------------------------------------------------=
---
-- 
> -- 
> > -- 
> > > ------ 
> > > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 ----------

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