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From: "mario" <mariobyrge@comcast.net>
Subject: EXPLORING 19TH CENTURY FORGERY HANK-PANKY
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THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN SUSPECTION IN SOME OF THE EARLY SALES EVENTS OF THE 1=
9TH CENTURY.
If we go back to some of the earliest sales by Bangs & Merwin,.........we s=
ee that Massachusetts silver had some hilarious catlogue descriptions,.....=
.of course, those descriptions were the cataloguers own wording. One may no=
tice about a "Pinetree Penny",..........based by a earlier cataloguer as a =
"pattern",........and of course, our old friend the "1650" dated pinetrees,=
..........that too, a "pattern" produced by the Bay Colony of Massachusetts=
",........so today, after much research, we ourselves can laugh at these ea=
rly description,.......today, we know better! If we take this step alittle =
further,........and place ourselves at the scene, sort-of -speak,........we=
may accept those two pinetrees as truths,.............today, we know that =
they are nothing more than "fantasy" examples. Todays fantasy examples may=
and probably were yesterdays "forgeries". Lets stop to think,....With litt=
le to next to nothing knowledge of this series in, lets say,......1858,....=
...why would a "creator",.known as a "forgerer" would create something into=
a fantasy of a unknown design?????? Wouldn't it be more practical to produ=
ce a "odd" denomination,...or perhaps a "fictious date" of a design that is=
known to have genuine and true examples? The answer: of course!,........
Throughout the mid to late 19th century, many of the New York and Philadelp=
hia dealers of the day knew this,......afterall, didn't they handle some "e=
laborate coins",...either by private sale or by auction? So, with this inmi=
nd,.........a person who wanted to monetary benefit,......would be a dealer=
himself. I have always said, some of these dealers such as Lyman Low impos=
ed their coin buisness as a possibly "shill",..or a "front" to dispose of s=
ome of their products that were struck in the backroom.,...........I partic=
ulary note that such a case with a Sommer Island gold crown,......"XX" over=
the hog,.......the Garrett-ex Lyman Low coin,........sold for I think $12,=
000 back in 1979,...............one of the highest prices paid for a "mere =
forgery of a fantasy example",............!
Credability,.......a majic word that instills in all of our minds when we n=
egociate a deal when buying coins. I can remember many years ago, if a coll=
ector then would have brought up a charge of forgery against a dealer for k=
nowingly selling "false" coins, then ususally that dealer would soon to be =
out of buisness. so why today, we in this colonial arena seem to think that=
these" Lyman Lows, Bolens, Proskey's and Levicks,..to name a few,........w=
hy should we think that their knowledge was so great that many have placed =
these kindly old gents on a pedestal. Sure, they sold many true great rarit=
ies in their day,........but how can we turn our heads on the fact that the=
y too,........took a monetary notion to improve their bank accounts as well=
,........the times,.........the sign of the times,.the great Civil War,....=
....people were fighting and dying,..........most of these dealers had duct=
out from fighting,..........and who was buying coins then,.............so =
when we see Hard Times Tokens ans civil War Tokens struck in Silver, Gold, =
White Metal,.............do we actually see these as legitimate issues from=
private merchants, or can maybe we realize the opportunity for certain dea=
lers to profit after the Civil War,..........afterall,.....a "Unique" off m=
etal token would have been a rarity then,..........as most of us see it as =
such today! So, given my basis for debate,.........wouldn't it be just as p=
roper for those early dealers to strike colonials the same way,..........an=
d too, to offer them as genuine examples?
Like I have mentioned for the past several years,.......maybe today, some o=
f us should really look hard into what we have in our collections,.........=
.some of us may be "surprised",......we may just find "suspection",........=
..however, it would be no more than lets say,........a crow without a beak!
MARIO
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN SUSPECTION IN SOME O=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If we go back to some of the earliest sale=
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Bangs & Merwin,.........we see that Massachusetts silver had some hilar=
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catlogue descriptions,......of course, those descriptions were the catalogu=
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own wording. One may notice about a "Pinetree Penny",..........based by a=20
earlier cataloguer as a "pattern",........and of course, our old friend the=
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"1650" dated pinetrees,..........that too, a "pattern" produced by the Bay=
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Colony of Massachusetts",........so today, after much research, we ourselve=
s can=20
laugh at these early description,.......today, we know better! If we take t=
his=20
step alittle further,........and place ourselves at the scene, sort-of=20
-speak,........we may accept those two pinetrees as truths,.............tod=
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we know that they are nothing more than "fantasy" examples. Todays fa=
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examples may and probably were yesterdays "forgeries". Lets stop to=20
think,....With little to next to nothing knowledge of this series in, lets=
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say,......1858,.......why would a "creator",.known as a "forgerer" would cr=
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something into a fantasy of a unknown design?????? Wouldn't it be more prac=
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to produce a "odd" denomination,...or perhaps a "fictious date" of a design=
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course!,........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Throughout the mid to late 19th century, m=
any of=20
the New York and Philadelphia dealers of the day knew this,......afterall,=
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didn't they handle some "elaborate coins",...either by private sale or by=20
auction? So, with this inmind,.........a person who wanted to monetary=20
benefit,......would be a dealer himself. I have always said, some of these=
=20
dealers such as Lyman Low imposed their coin buisness as a possibly "shill"=
,..or=20
a "front" to dispose of some of their products that were struck in the=20
backroom.,...........I particulary note that such a case with a Sommer Isla=
nd=20
gold crown,......"XX" over the hog,.......the Garrett-ex Lyman Low=20
coin,........sold for I think $12,000 back in 1979,...............one of th=
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highest prices paid for a "mere forgery of a fantasy=20
example",............!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Credability,.......a majic word that insti=
lls in=20
all of our minds when we negociate a deal when buying coins. I can remember=
many=20
years ago, if a collector then would have brought up a charge of forgery ag=
ainst=20
a dealer for knowingly selling "false" coins, then ususally that dealer wou=
ld=20
soon to be out of buisness. so why today, we in this colonial arena seem to=
=20
think that these" Lyman Lows, Bolens, Proskey's and Levicks,..to name a=20
few,........why should we think that their knowledge was so great that many=
have=20
placed these kindly old gents on a pedestal. Sure, they sold many true grea=
t=20
rarities in their day,........but how can we turn our heads on the fact tha=
t=20
they too,........took a monetary notion to improve their bank accounts as=20
well,........the times,.........the sign of the times,.the great Civil=20
War,........people were fighting and dying,..........most of these dealers =
had=20
duct out from fighting,..........and who was buying coins then,............=
.so=20
when we see Hard Times Tokens ans civil War Tokens struck in Silver, Gold, =
White=20
Metal,.............do we actually see these as legitimate issues from priva=
te=20
merchants, or can maybe we realize the opportunity for certain dealers to p=
rofit=20
after the Civil War,..........afterall,.....a "Unique" off metal token woul=
d=20
have been a rarity then,..........as most of us see it as such today! So, g=
iven=20
my basis for debate,.........wouldn't it be just as proper for those early=
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dealers to strike colonials the same way,..........and too, to offer them a=
s=20
genuine examples?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Like I have mentioned for the past several=
=20
years,.......maybe today, some of us should really look hard into what we h=
ave=20
in our collections,..........some of us may be "surprised",......we may jus=
t=20
find "suspection",..........however, it would be no more than lets say,....=
....a=20
crow without a beak!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MARIO</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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