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Roger - - et al
I need to do some research on that one because I believe that we
are getting into an discussion regarding syntax rather than
coinage. That is - "plantation" as opposed to "colony". I did
define that Mother Country "made" a coinage for a Colony. In
other words - made in the Tower Mint in London specifically for
and by the request of the established government of Virginia
Colony.
We might argue the same way for the "First United States Coin" -
the Fugio Cent - but since it was produced under order of the
Continental Congress it was not yet the "United States". etc.
To avoid these syntax problems I long ago adopted the term Early
American to encompass the States issues, Colonial issues,
Continental era issues and so on and pegged the end of that era
as 1793 with the startup of the First United States Mint.
So where does this leave our French Colonies issues? Early
American, of course.
Jim/CNLF
============================
Roger Siboni wrote:
> Jim, While you may argue that "Holt Plantation" was not a
> "Colony". Richard Holt was the "Tin Farmer" granted the
> privilege by King James II to make tin coins for his majesties
> plantations and such parts of his dominions where they only
> took Spanish money. In the late 1600s, plantations that only
> took Spanish money would have absolutely includedVirginia down
> to the fringes of then Florida. Roger S.
>
> JCSpilman <JCSpilman1@Comcast.NET> wrote:
>
> I would argue that "Holt Plantation" was not a
> "Colony", per
> definition, per se.
>
> Jim/CNLF
>
> ========================================
>
> Roger Siboni wrote:
>
> > Jim, What about the Holt Plantation Farthing? Roger
> S.
> >
> > JCSpilman wrote:
> >
> > Russell - -
> >
> > Don't let these other fellows fool you!
> >
> > There is only ONE true U S Colonial coin - that is,
>
> > made for a
> > Colony (Virginia) by the Mother Country (England).
> >
> > It is the Virginia Halfpence of 1773.
> >
> > Jim/CNLF
> >
> > ====================
> >
> > buellish wrote:
> >
> > > Russell,
> > > Welcome! I've been trying to figure out an answer
>
> > for your
> > > post. The
> > > difficulty is how broad your request for "help"
> is.
> > What kind
> > > of help
> > > would be most helpful? Book recommendations?
> Where
> > to buy coins
> > >
> > > recommendations? Etc. Colonials are "the best
> > hobby" to have in
> > > my
> > > opinion. Tell us more about yourself and ask a
> few
> > specific
> > > questions, and the group will likely have some
> good
> > advice.
> > > Many buy
> > > a FUGIO as their first "colonial". I did. While
> it
> > is US made,
> > > many
> > > won't consider it a "colonial" technically
> > speaking.
> > > Regards, Buell
> > >
> > > P.S. Join C4 and possibly subscribe to CNL. Then
> > you'll start
> > > receiving some good reading material and make
> > friends with
> > > collectors
> > > having similar interests.
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Russell"
> > > wrote:
> > > > OK all you experts in colonial coins........
> > > > I am the beginner and want to buy my first coin
>
> > of U.S.
> > > origin.
> > > > I have looked at forgeries and will have some
> in
> > my
> > > collection, but
> > > > I do not have a real colonial made the U.S.
> coin
> > (yet)
> > > >
> > > > Will you help?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > P.S. I'm poor
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Russell
> > >
> > >
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Roger - - et al
<p>I need to do some research on that one because I believe that we are
getting into an discussion regarding syntax rather than coinage.
That is - "plantation" as opposed to "colony". I did define that
Mother Country "made" a coinage for a Colony. In other words - made in
the Tower Mint in London specifically for and by the request of the established
government of Virginia Colony.
<p>We might argue the same way for the "First United States Coin" - the
Fugio Cent - but since it was produced under order of the Continental Congress
it was not yet the "United States". etc.
<p>To avoid these syntax problems I long ago adopted the term Early American
to encompass the States issues, Colonial issues, Continental era issues
and so on and pegged the end of that era as 1793 with the startup of the
First United States Mint.
<p>So where does this leave our French Colonies issues? Early American,
of course.
<p>Jim/CNLF
<p>============================
<br>
<br>
<p>Roger Siboni wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> Jim, While you may argue that "Holt Plantation"
was not a "Colony". Richard Holt was the "Tin Farmer" granted the privilege
by King James II to make tin coins for his majesties plantations and such
parts of his dominions where they only took Spanish money. In the late
1600s, plantations that only took Spanish money would have absolutely includedVirginia
down to the fringes of then Florida. Roger S.
<p><b><i>JCSpilman <JCSpilman1@Comcast.NET></i></b> wrote:
<blockquote class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I
would argue that "Holt Plantation" was not a "Colony", per
<br>definition, per se.
<p>Jim/CNLF
<p>========================================
<p>Roger Siboni wrote:
<p>> Jim, What about the Holt Plantation Farthing? Roger S.
<br>>
<br>> JCSpilman <JCSPILMAN1@COMCAST.NET>wrote:
<br>>
<br>> Russell - -
<br>>
<br>> Don't let these other fellows fool you!
<br>>
<br>> There is only ONE true U S Colonial coin - that is,
<br>> made for a
<br>> Colony (Virginia) by the Mother Country (England).
<br>>
<br>> It is the Virginia Halfpence of 1773.
<br>>
<br>> Jim/CNLF
<br>>
<br>> ====================
<br>>
<br>> buellish wrote:
<br>>
<br>> > Russell,
<br>> > Welcome! I've been trying to figure out an answer
<br>> for your
<br>> > post. The
<br>> > difficulty is how broad your request for "help" is.
<br>> What kind
<br>> > of help
<br>> > would be most helpful? Book recommendations? Where
<br>> to buy coins
<br>> >
<br>> > recommendations? Etc. Colonials are "the best
<br>> hobby" to have in
<br>> > my
<br>> > opinion. Tell us more about yourself and ask a few
<br>> specific
<br>> > questions, and the group will likely have some good
<br>> advice.
<br>> > Many buy
<br>> > a FUGIO as their first "colonial". I did. While it
<br>> is US made,
<br>> > many
<br>> > won't consider it a "colonial" technically
<br>> speaking.
<br>> > Regards, Buell
<br>> >
<br>> > P.S. Join C4 and possibly subscribe to CNL. Then
<br>> you'll start
<br>> > receiving some good reading material and make
<br>> friends with
<br>> > collectors
<br>> > having similar interests.
<br>> >
<br>> > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "Russell"
<br>> > wrote:
<br>> > > OK all you experts in colonial coins........
<br>> > > I am the beginner and want to buy my first coin
<br>> of U.S.
<br>> > origin.
<br>> > > I have looked at forgeries and will have some in
<br>> my
<br>> > collection, but
<br>> > > I do not have a real colonial made the U.S. coin
<br>> (yet)
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Will you help?
<br>> > >
<br>> > >
<br>> > >
<br>> > > P.S. I'm poor
<br>> > >
<br>> > >
<br>> > > Russell
<br>> >
<br>> >
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<br>> ADVERTISEMENT
<br>> [click here]
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