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From my perspective the two toughest/thankless jobs in C4 is the Editor and then the President IMHO...but you LOVE this ADMINISTRATIVE stuff Ray so its no real headache for you? ... having said that I would prefer to see a 8 1/2"" X 11" format like CNL and PW ... one small step at a time ... if possible based on Syd's local printers and their capabilities...I was lucky when I was a C4 Officer ...I had the position that never did or had to do a DAMN thing...that position was & is the Secretary ...has it changed much ...
JPL
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray Williams <njraywms@o...> wrote: > Hi guys, > For those of you wondering where this email reply came from, the C4 Board has been discussing the feasibility/possibility/need to change the format of the C4 Newsletter. There has been many good ideas and suggestions presented, but no decisions made. I guess this would be the most opportune time to ask your opinions... Do you like the present format? If not, would you prefer something like CNL and Penny Wise? I'd prefer not to give board opinions until we've heard from you all (y'all in the South too). > Thanks > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Syd Martin > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com ; Buell Ish > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 12:12 PM > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: C4 Newsletter > > > No problem with the technical side. On the content side -- it's very > hard to get more than about 50 pages per current format (i.e., less > than 25 pages or about 12-13 sheets printed on both sides), yielding a > rather thin volume. I've never had a budget, so have not explored the > options -- rather, I kept with the format/physical properties of the > Newsletter as it was when I took it over. I agree with Buell that if > we know what we want, we can spec it out and get quotes. As an > example, some folks want color covers, others want sepia figures, > others want slick paper. > > Putting out the Newsletter is not easy. I spend a lot of time redoing, > at least a couple of drafts, etc. interfacing with the printer. I > simply must have a local printer -- this limits the decision space to > about two (unless someone else wants to be the editor). Either of them > can do whatever we want. We just have to want it, spec it, price it, > accept it, and contract it. The only thing is, I don't know who the > decision authority is. Is it the Board, some subcommittee, me, or who. > And remember, the specification still may have a big impact on cost > per copy. Who is going to tell me what is wanted? Syd > > > On Jun 14, 2004, at 2:15 PM, Buell Ish wrote: > > > Greetings, > > Two quick thoughts: > > First, everything we have discussed is affordable. In other words, I > > would think we would design the format for the newsletter with little > > regard for cost and then shop the format we want to find the low cost > > supplier. A newsletter that the membership enjoys is much more in the > > clubs interest than saving a few pennies per each. Asking one printer > > what is the most affordable option ends up with you designing around > > his > > capabilities. If a printer says that folding and stapling is expensive, > > it tells me he has not invested in a machine that does this affordably. > > Folding and stapling (saddle stitching) is just one pass through the > > right machine. If a printer doesn't have it, then they have to charge > > for each step, or send it out to another printer. Millions of magazines > > are done this way because it is such a cheap way to bind. > > Second, Archival quality paper should be about the highest priority. > > Given that most advertising runs its course very quickly, most of the > > paper in the market place ages quickly. I think 80# book, #2 sheet > > coated dull would be right. I'd list actual papers here, but I > > understand there are great regional differences in what is available. > > The papers I list would likely not be available or be very expensive > > far > > from the Pacific NW. It always costs more to have a brand preference > > anyway. > > Buell > > > > > >>>> "palmers4@e..." <palmers4@e...> 06/14/04 08:59AM >>> > > Ray, the good points you bring up, far and away make up for the 2 > > possible > > bad points. As to the last bad point, > > 1) it is incumbent upon us the membership to fill the space > > 2) we WANT a quarterly Journal, but it isn't the end of the world if we > > miss one, and it becomes a platform for requesting articles for the > > next > > ones. ie. If you don't want to miss another Journal, submit an article > > for > > publication. > > 3) if we find we don't have enough material for a full Joutnal, use > > LARGER > > print, for us older folks<s> > > Please let's go with the 8 1/2 X 11 format, anmd use higher quality > > paper. > > If we can get them bound as we currently do, for not much more money, > > let's > > do that too. Let's have some amounts as to what they cost now, and what > > the > > options are going to cost, so we can compare. Talking in absolutes is > > usually best for making decisions. David > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Ray Williams njraywms@o... > > Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:09:31 -0400 > > To: sfmartin@c..., Leo.J.Shane@h..., > > apietri2@i..., buell@v..., fsteimle@a..., > > freidus@w..., jprosen1@c..., Mesauvain@a..., > > palmers4@e..., sstephens@h..., sscrosby@c... > > Subject: Re: C4 Newsletter > > > > > > Hi All, > > There seems to be mixed opinions about changing the newsletter > > format. > > This is good... Let me list some of my thoughts on the subject and > > please > > continue to reply. I just noticed that the editor had not been > > included > > in > > any past posts. They are in this mailing. Sorry Syd! I'm sure he has > > information to contribute and I will privately email him the past > > posts. > > I > > thought Syd was on this list... > > > > Positive thoughts: > > > > 1 It is less expensive to print our newsletter in the "CNL" format > > compared to our folded and stapled format > > > > 2 For about the same present cost, we could have a higher quality > > paper > > > > 3 Making charts and diagrams are easier and more legible on the > > larger > > format > > > > 4 Editing would be easier on the larger format > > > > 5 Using the large format would allow personal options for our > > libraries. > > They can be nicely bound, placed in binders, stored in file > > cabinets, > > etc. > > > > 6 Authors submitting articles normally supply the article in the > > larger > > format > > > > 7 Making a personal copy of a chart or diagram is easier to do with > > home > > computers > > > > Negative thoughts: > > > > 1 The newsletter changes to a new format and there will be two > > different > > size newsletters in out libraries > > > > 2 Do we have enough material (and advertising) to accommodate a > > larger > > format? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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