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Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: C4 Newsletter
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Well ... I was in my usual kidding mode ... the C4 organization has
changed in many ways and perhaps the biggest change being fueled by
what has happened to U.S. Colonials in the last 10 years. Things are
indeed alot more serious now in terms of collecting psyche, money,
attitudes and advancements of research (i.e., we probably have
advanced information in the last 10 years MORE than the previous 100
years.
I think the keyword here is "SERIOUS."
Not as an off-topic but I think Jim Spilman hit the nail on the head
a month or so ago when he commented today the Internet is the way to
go (eSIG's, etc.) ... my point ... whatever happened to the C4
Website Mike Wierzba was suppose to build and overview??? Do you
think a more proactive C4 website is more in-line with C4 today than
a snail-mail paper journal??? Just a thought ....
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray Williams <njraywms@o...>
wrote:
> Thanks John,
> A vote for the larger format.
>
> Actually, I'm really not an administrative or a political type
person, but I do love the hobby and want to do my small part to make
it better. The Secretary position involves a fair amount of
work... Communications, letters, taking notes of Board Meetings,
Annual C4 Meetings and such. The work of all the officer positions
in C4 is greatly appreciated by me. I see a lot of what goes on
behind the scene unnoticed by most of the membership. At the
Conventions, when you meet one of the officers remember to thank
them for the work they do. Each and every officer we have, without
exception, is there for the purpose of making the club run better.
As president, I can say for certain that the job isn't thankless...
If you attend a C4 Convention and just step back and look at all
that goes on... If you sit at the officer's table at the annual
meeting, and you look at the 60 faces in the audience...to have my
wife refer to you all as my "Little Coin Friends"... There's plenty
of thanks. Now on the otherhand, C4 Newsletter Editor I agree with
being a tough job! Angel Pietri served in this capacity and was
Treasurer at the same time!!!!! Although Vice President, Jim Rosen
spends enormous hours in the grunt work of getting books to print!
I don't want to start enumerating the works that we each do, we do
them and are happy to do so for the betterment of the hobby.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: johnmenc@o...
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 2:47 PM
> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: C4 Newsletter
>
>
> From my perspective the two toughest/thankless jobs in C4 is the
> Editor and then the President IMHO...but you LOVE this
> ADMINISTRATIVE stuff Ray so its no real headache for you? ...
having
> said that I would prefer to see a 8 1/2"" X 11" format like CNL
and
> PW ... one small step at a time ... if possible based on Syd's
local
> printers and their capabilities...I was lucky when I was a C4
> Officer ...I had the position that never did or had to do a DAMN
> thing...that position was & is the Secretary ...has it changed
> much ...
>
> JPL
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray Williams
<njraywms@o...>
> wrote:
> > Hi guys,
> > For those of you wondering where this email reply came
from,
> the C4 Board has been discussing the
feasibility/possibility/need to
> change the format of the C4 Newsletter. There has been many
good
> ideas and suggestions presented, but no decisions made. I guess
> this would be the most opportune time to ask your opinions...
Do
> you like the present format? If not, would you prefer something
> like CNL and Penny Wise? I'd prefer not to give board opinions
> until we've heard from you all (y'all in the South too).
> > Thanks
> > Ray
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Syd Martin
> > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com ; Buell Ish
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2004 12:12 PM
> > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: C4 Newsletter
> >
> >
> > No problem with the technical side. On the content side --
it's
> very
> > hard to get more than about 50 pages per current format
(i.e.,
> less
> > than 25 pages or about 12-13 sheets printed on both sides),
> yielding a
> > rather thin volume. I've never had a budget, so have not
> explored the
> > options -- rather, I kept with the format/physical
properties of
> the
> > Newsletter as it was when I took it over. I agree with
Buell
> that if
> > we know what we want, we can spec it out and get quotes. As
an
> > example, some folks want color covers, others want sepia
> figures,
> > others want slick paper.
> >
> > Putting out the Newsletter is not easy. I spend a lot of
time
> redoing,
> > at least a couple of drafts, etc. interfacing with the
> printer. I
> > simply must have a local printer -- this limits the decision
> space to
> > about two (unless someone else wants to be the editor).
Either
> of them
> > can do whatever we want. We just have to want it, spec it,
> price it,
> > accept it, and contract it. The only thing is, I don't know
who
> the
> > decision authority is. Is it the Board, some subcommittee,
me,
> or who.
> > And remember, the specification still may have a big
impact on
> cost
> > per copy. Who is going to tell me what is wanted? Syd
> >
> >
> > On Jun 14, 2004, at 2:15 PM, Buell Ish wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Two quick thoughts:
> > > First, everything we have discussed is affordable. In
other
> words, I
> > > would think we would design the format for the newsletter
with
> little
> > > regard for cost and then shop the format we want to find
the
> low cost
> > > supplier. A newsletter that the membership enjoys is much
more
> in the
> > > clubs interest than saving a few pennies per each. Asking
one
> printer
> > > what is the most affordable option ends up with you
designing
> around
> > > his
> > > capabilities. If a printer says that folding and stapling
is
> expensive,
> > > it tells me he has not invested in a machine that does
this
> affordably.
> > > Folding and stapling (saddle stitching) is just one pass
> through the
> > > right machine. If a printer doesn't have it, then they
have to
> charge
> > > for each step, or send it out to another printer. Millions
of
> magazines
> > > are done this way because it is such a cheap way to bind.
> > > Second, Archival quality paper should be about the highest
> priority.
> > > Given that most advertising runs its course very quickly,
most
> of the
> > > paper in the market place ages quickly. I think 80# book,
#2
> sheet
> > > coated dull would be right. I'd list actual papers here,
but I
> > > understand there are great regional differences in what is
> available.
> > > The papers I list would likely not be available or be very
> expensive
> > > far
> > > from the Pacific NW. It always costs more to have a brand
> preference
> > > anyway.
> > > Buell
> > >
> > >
> > >>>> "palmers4@e..." <palmers4@e...> 06/14/04 08:59AM >>>
> > > Ray, the good points you bring up, far and away make up
for
> the 2
> > > possible
> > > bad points. As to the last bad point,
> > > 1) it is incumbent upon us the membership to fill the space
> > > 2) we WANT a quarterly Journal, but it isn't the end of
the
> world if we
> > > miss one, and it becomes a platform for requesting
articles
> for the
> > > next
> > > ones. ie. If you don't want to miss another Journal,
submit an
> article
> > > for
> > > publication.
> > > 3) if we find we don't have enough material for a full
> Joutnal, use
> > > LARGER
> > > print, for us older folks<s>
> > > Please let's go with the 8 1/2 X 11 format, anmd use
higher
> quality
> > > paper.
> > > If we can get them bound as we currently do, for not much
more
> money,
> > > let's
> > > do that too. Let's have some amounts as to what they cost
now,
> and what
> > > the
> > > options are going to cost, so we can compare. Talking in
> absolutes is
> > > usually best for making decisions. David
> > >
> > > Original Message:
> > > -----------------
> > > From: Ray Williams njraywms@o...
> > > Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 10:09:31 -0400
> > > To: sfmartin@c..., Leo.J.Shane@h...,
> > > apietri2@i..., buell@v..., fsteimle@a...,
> > > freidus@w..., jprosen1@c..., Mesauvain@a...,
> > > palmers4@e..., sstephens@h..., sscrosby@c...
> > > Subject: Re: C4 Newsletter
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > > There seems to be mixed opinions about changing the
> newsletter
> > > format.
> > > This is good... Let me list some of my thoughts on the
> subject and
> > > please
> > > continue to reply. I just noticed that the editor had not
> been
> > > included
> > > in
> > > any past posts. They are in this mailing. Sorry Syd!
I'm
> sure he has
> > > information to contribute and I will privately email him
the
> past
> > > posts.
> > > I
> > > thought Syd was on this list...
> > >
> > > Positive thoughts:
> > >
> > > 1 It is less expensive to print our newsletter in
the "CNL"
> format
> > > compared to our folded and stapled format
> > >
> > > 2 For about the same present cost, we could have a
higher
> quality
> > > paper
> > >
> > > 3 Making charts and diagrams are easier and more
legible on
> the
> > > larger
> > > format
> > >
> > > 4 Editing would be easier on the larger format
> > >
> > > 5 Using the large format would allow personal options
for
> our
> > > libraries.
> > > They can be nicely bound, placed in binders, stored
in
> file
> > > cabinets,
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > 6 Authors submitting articles normally supply the
article
> in the
> > > larger
> > > format
> > >
> > > 7 Making a personal copy of a chart or diagram is
easier to
> do with
> > > home
> > > computers
> > >
> > > Negative thoughts:
> > >
> > > 1 The newsletter changes to a new format and there will
be
> two
> > > different
> > > size newsletters in out libraries
> > >
> > > 2 Do we have enough material (and advertising) to
> accommodate a
> > > larger
> > > format?
> > >
> > >
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