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Steve,
I hope not! <BG> I've derived a lot of pleasure in assembling them. I've made many friends in the process too. One of those friends sent me a bottle of Pear Brandy because it was brewed (?) by Williams-Birne and there's an obvious name connection. This bottle has a full size pear in it! The bottle is actually hung on the tree branch and the pear is allowed to grow in the bottle!!! Well, it now sits on top of my entertainment center as a conversation piece. There it will stay until I add the 90th NJ die variety to my collection. Then I will celebrate with Diane and enjoy this Brandy. So, can any of you help to speed up my being able to sample this gift??? <BG>
Ray
Make that read, "my 90th legitimate NJ variety" <BG>
----- Original Message -----
From: Steven G Frank
To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 6:06 PM
Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Mario, let's set the record straight!
Ray,
I love your collection of NJ's....however, I notice the 5 coins you
paid the most money for are all modern fabrications....what the
hay...you will find some good ones in the future...happy hunting!!
Just kidding buddy,
Steve
--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray Williams <njraywms@o...>
wrote:
> All,
> Hopefully my last reply on this topic... At the moment, the
colonial collecting community has a set of generally acknowledged die
varieties in all series. It's my opinion that these should remain
accepted until someone should do research to prove otherwise. It's
also my opinion that any new die varieties coming to light should
not be accepted into their respective series until seriously studied
and analyzed. I think it was obvious to all that the coin in
question was a fabrication. How and when made (even with lab
analysis) is still speculation at this time. I would have felt much
better about the lab results on this coin, if performed by US Mint
scientists rather than Forensic Scientists who probably aren't
familiar with minting processes. Mario gave his opinions of what the
scientist saw. If the scientist was a numismatist rendering his
observations, I would have felt better about what I read. I'm all
for scientific analysis, but in the report I'd like to see the facts
and figures and pictures accompanied by the scientist's conclusions.
Maybe someday we can have facilities available for this...
> Until science becomes economical for the hobby to afford, I
will continue to rely on the opinions of the experts (defined as the
people whose opinions I respect). I will accept that being human,
experts will occasionally make a mistake. I will accept a scientific
study that proves to my satisfaction that a previously accepted
variety is incorrect. And I will continue to have fun with this
hobby and ALL of you.
> Ray
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> I hope not! <BG>
I've derived a lot of pleasure in assembling them. I've made many friends
in the process too. One of those friends sent me a bottle of Pear Brandy
because it was brewed (?) by Williams-Birne and there's an obvious name
connection. This bottle has a full size pear in it! The bottle is
actually hung on the tree branch and the pear is allowed to grow in the
bottle!!! Well, it now sits on top of my entertainment center as a
conversation piece. There it will stay until I add the 90th NJ die variety
to my collection. Then I will celebrate with Diane and enjoy this
Brandy. So, can any of you help to speed up my being able to sample this
gift??? <BG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ray</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Make that read, "my 90th legitimate NJ variety"
<BG></FONT></DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=taxi_steve929@yahoo.com href="mailto:taxi_steve929@yahoo.com">Steven
G Frank</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 07, 2004 6:06
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Colonial Numismatics] Re:
Mario, let's set the record straight!</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><TT>Ray,<BR>I love your collection of NJ's....however, I notice
the 5 coins you <BR>paid the most money for are all modern
fabrications....what the <BR>hay...you will find some good ones in the
future...happy
hunting!!<BR><BR>
Just kidding
buddy,<BR>
Steve<BR><BR>--- In <A
href="mailto:colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com">colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</A>,
Ray Williams <<A href="mailto:njraywms@o">njraywms@o</A>...>
<BR>wrote:<BR>> All,<BR>> Hopefully my last
reply on this topic... At the moment, the <BR>colonial collecting
community has a set of generally acknowledged die <BR>varieties in all
series. It's my opinion that these should remain <BR>accepted until
someone should do research to prove otherwise. It's <BR>also my opinion
that any new die varieties coming to light should <BR>not be accepted
into their respective series until seriously studied <BR>and analyzed. I
think it was obvious to all that the coin in <BR>question was a
fabrication. How and when made (even with lab <BR>analysis) is still
speculation at this time. I would have felt much <BR>better about the
lab results on this coin, if performed by US Mint <BR>scientists rather than
Forensic Scientists who probably aren't <BR>familiar with minting
processes. Mario gave his opinions of what the <BR>scientist saw.
If the scientist was a numismatist rendering his <BR>observations, I would
have felt better about what I read. I'm all <BR>for scientific analysis,
but in the report I'd like to see the facts <BR>and figures and pictures
accompanied by the scientist's conclusions. <BR>Maybe someday we can
have facilities available for this...<BR>> Until
science becomes economical for the hobby to afford, I <BR>will continue to
rely on the opinions of the experts (defined as the <BR>people whose opinions
I respect). I will accept that being human, <BR>experts will
occasionally make a mistake. I will accept a scientific <BR>study that
proves to my satisfaction that a previously accepted <BR>variety is
incorrect. And I will continue to have fun with this <BR>hobby and ALL
of you.<BR>>
Ray<BR></TT></BLOCKQUOTE><!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --></BODY></HTML>
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