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    Hi;
    Extreme caution should be used when purchasing coins that were from "wrecks=
    ",.......their promotional values will usually, far exceed their numismatic=
    auctual worth.=20
    We can examine the coins that were recovered from the Mel Fisher discovery =
    of the "Attocha". It was only several years after the discovery that Mels C=
    ompany was hauled into court under violations of reproducing many of differ=
    ent types, only to be sold and promoted as a "genuine" Attocha example.=20
    The Wreck of the Admiral Gardner can be sumed in similarity. These coins ar=
    e "crap", no numismatic value and only a slight intrinsic value of the copp=
    er. Some of these are obviously, miss leading promotionals that are sellin=
    g replicas of these types,....my advice, stay away from them.
    The "V" coppers of the Dutch are also being made and flooding the market as=
    genuine issues. These are extremely easy to distinquish, many of them look=
    to "Perfect" for copper alloy that was produced from dies 200 to 300 years=
    ago then sailed to the new world,.which 35 to 45 day voyage would have eff=
    ected the surfaces and the condiotion of these coppers,.......another promo=
    tional will eventually lead to a fateful secondary market. "When a 300 year=
    old coin looks "Perfect" then it is "New",........Hoard finds that are auc=
    tual, whether they are medieval or ancient, even in uncirculated condition =
    will always "bear the scares of time",........nothing that comes out of the=
    ground or water looks perfect and new,.......not even the original cargo o=
    f the Brother Jonathon,.......those gold $20 that you see slabbed, have bee=
    n, what the grading service calls "Processed" inorder to slab,...........wh=
    at a bunch of crap,.............
    Compare values of the Jonathan cargo,...what 1857-S $20,...........MS-65,..=
    .....$2800 at the time per gray sheet,....but process (cleanned) and slabbe=
    d, then promoted to $7500 apiece,.........so look who made money and look w=
    ho got "sqatted",...............
    So like anyother promotional, they had only proved that the promoter became=
    the investment, not you or the coin
    MARIO
    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: johnmenc@optonline.net=20
    To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com=20
    Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:49 AM
    Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: Coin, Jewely, Fenton glass, Post Card=
    s and Dolls Auction on Sun. July 11 @ 1PM h


    Coins from this wreck - do not mean whole helluva alot ...see=20
    below ...=20

    "Admiral Gardner"
    Location
    Lat/lon: 51=B0 12' 00" N 01=B0 30' 30" E
    Description: Goodwins Sands, Kent

    Access restrictions
    Restrictions: An area within 150m radius of position 51=B0 12.00' N.,=20
    01=B0 30.56' E.. Chart affected: 1828.
    This site is a designated Historic Wreck under the Protection of=20
    Wrecks Act, 1973

    Notes
    The Admiral Gardner was an outward-bound English East Indiaman which=20
    sank in 1809. The site has been subject to commercial salvage and=20
    some archaeological investigation.=20
    ADU designation: January 3, 1990; 1989 No. 3; 1989/2295; Original=20
    Designation Order (June 3, 1985; 1985 No. 1; 1985/699) revoked but=20
    the site re-designated as above.
    ADU licences: No licences have been issued.

    Information provided by
    The Archaeological Diving Unit


    Supplementary information
    Questions to anyone that knows the answer: Is there any value to the=20
    British coins that were on the vessel "Admiral Gardner" - Some of=20
    these coins are being sold collectors items?=20
    - - virgil chambers (vhchambers@midohio.net), 29 Jan 99=20
    Well... I just picked up 2 of the "X Cash" coins for US$3 each off=20
    of Yahoo auctions. Not bad, in my oppinion, for coins minted in=20
    1808. But, I just saw one coin shop selling them for $9.95.. and=20
    another for $29.95.. so look around.
    However, such things are only of value to those who value them.=20
    As "melt copper" these coins may be worth only 10 cents... If you=20
    are an extreme "Ship Wreck Nut" then they may be worth the $29.95 ??
    Personally, $3 was excellent for me. Sure, there isnt an "East India=20
    Company" any more, but either is there a CCCP... and I buy those=20
    coins as well. Why ? Because its all part of history, and that I can=20
    pick up a coin minted almost 200 years ago is amazing.
    If, however, you "collect for investment" instead of for=20
    entertainment/interest, then save your oney and buy some gold or=20
    silver bullion.=20
    - - Luggage (j_williams@hotmail.com), 10 Aug 100=20

    I kept a boat at Dover some years ago. The new ferry terminal was=20
    being built with sand dredged from the goodwins. There were so many=20
    metal detector enthusiasts interrupting the building work that, I=20
    was told, the company deliberately salted the area with scrap iron=20
    to put them off. The prize they were seeking was the coin/tokens=20
    from the HEIC.=20
    - - Jim Brodie (jim_brodie@yahoo.com), 27 Oct 2000=20

    hi, its my birthday today 17th nov, and from my dear freind, he gave=20
    me some coins from the Admiral Gardener ship wreck. I am very=20
    interested in wrecks, the coins are in very good contion for being=20
    nearly 200 years old. there is even a clup of coins which is embeded=20
    together along with single coins.=20
    - - Claire Taylor (bears-cabin@supanet.com), 17 Nov 2001=20

    From: www.napoleonicmedals.org/coins/brit08-1.htm
    East India Company - 1808 - X Cash Obverse - Coat of Arms of the=20
    East India Company. The supporters stand on a ribbon with the=20
    inscription: Legend, EAST INDIA COMPANY Exergue, 1808 Reverse - A=20
    legend in Arabic. Size, 25 mm. This coin came from the dealer with a=20
    small piece of paper on which was printed: "While delivering the=20
    freshly minted coins to Bengal India, The Admiral Gardner and the=20
    Britania were sunk in a storm. The coins, enclosed in wax sealed=20
    kegs were amazingly nice when recovered from the ocean floor in=20
    1985." Obviously the coins were in near mint condition. If you pay=20
    more than $5 for one of these you've missed the point of the text=20
    above, there are thousands of these in this condition.=20
    - - Chris Anderson (csanderson@mail.com), 25 Jan 2002=20

    There were a few thousand coins discovered in the sunken HMS Admiral=20
    Gardner: the copper coins sell anywhere from US$3 - US$ 8 each. The=20
    salvage operation found a very limited number of gold covered coins=20
    and it is believed these were minted to be distributed as new year=20
    gifts amongst the elite. Those are very rare, not many have been=20
    traded or offered for sale and it is unknown exactly how many were=20
    minted, though some have estimated that 50 pieces were made. I'd say=20
    these would be worth in excess of US$ 800 each. (Personal view.=20
    Interested buyers are to do their own determination of value or=20
    consult a professional appraiser.)=20
    - - Robert Schmerler (r_schmerlerus@yahoo.com), 20 May 2002=20

    I would like to see some pictures of admiral gardner coins

    - - Deloris (miss liz to you), 17 Mar 2003=20

    I just bought a X cash coin from the Admiral Gardner in St Thomas. I=20
    paid $20.00 for it. I guess I got screwed, but it is in great=20
    condition and it is from 1809.=20
    - - r molnar (rmol715@aol.com), 24 Nov 2003=20

    I've got a clump of these coins and have removed one to clean up. I=20
    knew one of the people who did some salvage work on the wreck. Just=20
    to say thanks for finally finding out more on these was a tremendus=20
    help.=20
    - - L Faulkner (screwloose@hotmail.com), 14 Apr 2004=20


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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi;</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Extreme caution should be used when purcha=
    sing=20
    coins that were from "wrecks",.......their promotional values will usually,=
    far=20
    exceed their numismatic auctual worth. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We can examine the coins that were recover=
    ed from=20
    the Mel Fisher discovery of the "Attocha". It was only several years after =
    the=20
    discovery that Mels Company was hauled into court under violations of=20
    reproducing many of different types, only to be sold and promoted as a "gen=
    uine"=20
    Attocha example. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The Wreck of the Admiral Gardner can be su=
    med in=20
    similarity. These coins are "crap", no numismatic value and only a slight=20
    intrinsic value of the copper.  Some of these are obviously, miss lead=
    ing=20
    promotionals that are selling replicas of these types,....my advice, stay a=
    way=20
    from them.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The "V" coppers of the Dutch are also bein=
    g made=20
    and flooding the market as genuine issues. These are extremely easy to=20
    distinquish, many of them look to "Perfect" for copper alloy that was produ=
    ced=20
    from dies 200 to 300 years ago then sailed to the new world,.which 35 to 45=
    day=20
    voyage would have effected the surfaces and the condiotion of these=20
    coppers,.......another promotional will eventually lead to a fateful second=
    ary=20
    market. "When a 300 year old coin looks "Perfect" then it is "New",........=
    Hoard=20
    finds that are auctual, whether they are medieval or ancient, even in=20
    uncirculated condition will always "bear the scares of time",........nothin=
    g=20
    that comes out of the ground or water looks perfect and new,.......not even=
    the=20
    original cargo of the Brother Jonathon,.......those gold $20 that you see=20
    slabbed, have been, what the grading service calls "Processed" inorder to=20
    slab,...........what a bunch of crap,.............</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Compare values of the Jonathan cargo,...wh=
    at 1857-S=20
    $20,...........MS-65,.......$2800 at the time per gray sheet,....but proces=
    s=20
    (cleanned) and slabbed, then promoted to $7500 apiece,.........so look who =
    made=20
    money and look who got "sqatted",...............</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So like anyother promotional, they had onl=
    y proved=20
    that the promoter became the investment, not you or the coin</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MARIO</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 09, 2004 10:49=
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    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Colonial Numismatics] Re=
    : Coin,=20
    Jewely, Fenton glass, Post Cards and Dolls Auction on Sun. July 11 @ 1PM=
    =20
    h</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV><TT>Coins from this wreck - do not mean whole helluva alot=
    =20
    ...see <BR>below ... <BR><BR>"Admiral Gardner"<BR>Location<BR>Lat/lon: 51=
    =B0 12'=20
    00" N 01=B0 30' 30" E<BR>Description: Goodwins Sands, Kent<BR><BR>Access=
    =20
    restrictions<BR>Restrictions: An area within 150m radius of position 51=
    =B0=20
    12.00' N., <BR>01=B0 30.56' E.. Chart affected: 1828.<BR>This site is a=20
    designated Historic Wreck under the Protection of <BR>Wrecks Act,=20
    1973<BR><BR>Notes<BR>The Admiral Gardner was an outward-bound English Eas=
    t=20
    Indiaman which <BR>sank in 1809. The site has been subject to commercial=
    =20
    salvage and <BR>some archaeological investigation. <BR>ADU designation:=20
    January 3, 1990; 1989 No. 3; 1989/2295; Original <BR>Designation Order (J=
    une=20
    3, 1985; 1985 No. 1; 1985/699) revoked but <BR>the site re-designated as=
    =20
    above.<BR>ADU licences: No licences have been issued.<BR><BR>Information=
    =20
    provided by<BR>The Archaeological Diving Unit<BR><BR><BR>Supplementary=20
    information<BR>Questions to anyone that knows the answer: Is there any va=
    lue=20
    to the <BR>British coins that were on the vessel "Admiral Gardner" - Some=
    of=20
    <BR>these coins are being sold collectors items? <BR>- - virgil chambers=
    =20
    (vhchambers@midohio.net), 29 Jan 99 <BR>Well... I just picked up 2 of the=
    "X=20
    Cash" coins for US$3 each off <BR>of Yahoo auctions. Not bad, in my oppin=
    ion,=20
    for coins minted in <BR>1808. But, I just saw one coin shop selling them =
    for=20
    $9.95.. and <BR>another for $29.95.. so look around.<BR>However, such thi=
    ngs=20
    are only of value to those who value them. <BR>As "melt copper" these coi=
    ns=20
    may be worth only 10 cents... If you <BR>are an extreme "Ship Wreck Nut" =
    then=20
    they may be worth the $29.95 ??<BR>Personally, $3 was excellent for me. S=
    ure,=20
    there isnt an "East India <BR>Company" any more, but either is there a CC=
    CP...=20
    and I buy those <BR>coins as well. Why ? Because its all part of history,=
    and=20
    that I can <BR>pick up a coin minted almost 200 years ago is amazing.<BR>=
    If,=20
    however, you "collect for investment" instead of for=20
    <BR>entertainment/interest, then save your oney and buy some gold or=20
    <BR>silver bullion. <BR>- - Luggage (j_williams@hotmail.com), 10 Aug 100=
    =20
    <BR><BR>I kept a boat at Dover some years ago. The new ferry terminal was=
    =20
    <BR>being built with sand dredged from the goodwins. There were so many=20
    <BR>metal detector enthusiasts interrupting the building work that, I <BR=
    >was=20
    told, the company deliberately salted the area with scrap iron <BR>to put=
    them=20
    off. The prize they were seeking was the coin/tokens <BR>from the HEIC. <=
    BR>-=20
    - Jim Brodie (jim_brodie@yahoo.com), 27 Oct 2000 <BR><BR>hi, its my birth=
    day=20
    today 17th nov, and from my dear freind, he gave <BR>me some coins from t=
    he=20
    Admiral Gardener ship wreck. I am very <BR>interested in wrecks, the coin=
    s are=20
    in very good contion for being <BR>nearly 200 years old. there is even a =
    clup=20
    of coins which is embeded <BR>together along with single coins. <BR>- - C=
    laire=20
    Taylor (bears-cabin@supanet.com), 17 Nov 2001 <BR><BR>From:=20
    www.napoleonicmedals.org/coins/brit08-1.htm<BR>East India Company - 1808 =
    - X=20
    Cash Obverse - Coat of Arms of the <BR>East India Company. The supporters=
    =20
    stand on a ribbon with the <BR>inscription: Legend, EAST INDIA COMPANY=20
    Exergue, 1808 Reverse - A <BR>legend in Arabic. Size, 25 mm. This coin ca=
    me=20
    from the dealer with a <BR>small piece of paper on which was printed: "Wh=
    ile=20
    delivering the <BR>freshly minted coins to Bengal India, The Admiral Gard=
    ner=20
    and the <BR>Britania were sunk in a storm. The coins, enclosed in wax sea=
    led=20
    <BR>kegs were amazingly nice when recovered from the ocean floor in <BR>1=
    985."=20
    Obviously the coins were in near mint condition. If you pay <BR>more than=
    $5=20
    for one of these you've missed the point of the text <BR>above, there are=
    =20
    thousands of these in this condition. <BR>- - Chris Anderson=20
    (csanderson@mail.com), 25 Jan 2002 <BR><BR>There were a few thousand coin=
    s=20
    discovered in the sunken HMS Admiral <BR>Gardner: the copper coins sell=20
    anywhere from US$3 - US$ 8 each. The <BR>salvage operation found a very=20
    limited number of gold covered coins <BR>and it is believed these were mi=
    nted=20
    to be distributed as new year <BR>gifts amongst the elite. Those are very=
    =20
    rare, not many have been <BR>traded or offered for sale and it is unknown=
    =20
    exactly how many were <BR>minted, though some have estimated that 50 piec=
    es=20
    were made. I'd say <BR>these would be worth in excess of US$ 800 each.=20
    (Personal view. <BR>Interested buyers are to do their own determination o=
    f=20
    value or <BR>consult a professional appraiser.) <BR>- - Robert Schmerler=
    =20
    (r_schmerlerus@yahoo.com), 20 May 2002 <BR><BR>I would like to see some=20
    pictures of admiral gardner coins<BR><BR>- - Deloris (miss liz to you), 1=
    7 Mar=20
    2003 <BR><BR>I just bought a X cash coin from the Admiral Gardner in St=20
    Thomas. I <BR>paid $20.00 for it. I guess I got screwed, but it is in gre=
    at=20
    <BR>condition and it is from 1809. <BR>- - r molnar (rmol715@aol.com), 24=
    Nov=20
    2003 <BR><BR>I've got a clump of these coins and have removed one to clea=
    n up.=20
    I <BR>knew one of the people who did some salvage work on the wreck. Just=
    =20
    <BR>to say thanks for finally finding out more on these was a tremendus=20
    <BR>help. <BR>- - L Faulkner (screwloose@hotmail.com), 14 Apr 2004=20
    <BR><BR><BR>--- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, "MAZ" <mzraik@w...&=
    gt;=20
    wrote:<BR>> Hello Everyone,<BR>> <BR>> A great opportunity to bu=
    y=20
    collectible items has come in the form <BR>of <BR>> an auction
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