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From: Roger Moore <rogermoore435@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: WM under Sprig New Jersey
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Jim, I've already sealed the things in an envelop. I
will try your suggestion when I get them back. The
photos are small but all the other items might be of
interest. Roger
--- "J.C.SPILMAN" <JCSpilman1@Comcast.NET> wrote:
> Roger - -
>
> Before you mail the photos - try an experiment.
>
> Place the prints on a flat surface, tilted somewhat
> if necessary,
> and set it where it will get direct skylight, but
> NOT direct
> sunlight (but experiment if you like) and copy the
> photos up
> close with your digital camera. It will work best
> if you have
> your camera mounted on a tripod so that the distance
> of lens to
> photo is always the same. Fill the image finder
> with the coin
> image and be certain that focus is correct, and
> SHARP. Shoot
> with maximum resolution.
>
> I have been doing this for several years (both film
> and digital)
> and it works very nicely for almost any copying
> requirement.
>
> Jim/CNLF
>
> ==============================
>
> Roger Moore wrote:
>
> > Or how about the die progression being 1)sprig
> under
> > scroll and 2) a later addition of the WM. "Later"
> to
> > be defined. Perhaps not but I think the coin(s)
> need
> > re-evaluation. Just my opinion. I have photos of
> the
> > coin as they were provided to interested parties
> by
> > Higgins, as well as the number of appearances for
> it
> > in Coin World, etc. I will be sending these to
> Jim
> > Spilman this weekend so that he can scan them and
> post
> > them for those who have not seen it. Roger - the
> > iconoclast
> >
> >
> > --- johnmenc@optonline.net wrote:
> >
> > > The WM was under the obverse without the 1/2 to
> this
> > > Rarity 9 WM
> > > example. Both were with an obverse 62. Several
> weeks
> > > had gone by
> > > since the WM Higgins find and Higgins had the
> usual
> > > "grin" on his
> > > face whenever he saw a C4'er walk by or when
> anyone
> > > was examining
> > > his great find (rightfully so) ... so anyway ...
> I
> > > was walking by
> > > maybe two Parsipanny shows later and someone who
> > > knew him mentioned
> > > to me Higgins found something very unusual
> > > associated with this
> > > R9 ... so I walked over ... and there was an
> example
> > > with WM (very
> > > faint but present around 50% or so) under the
> sprig
> > > for a Morristown
> > > M.62 obverse NJ. After his find what would be
> the
> > > next logical
> > > cherrypicking step or action? ... I checked my
> > > entire collection ...
> > > and NOTHING. I searched for a year ... and
> NOTHING.
> > > Then after a
> > > year ... I stopped looking ... I think if
> everyone
> > > looked for a
> > > year ... R6+ would not be an overstatement? for
> this
> > > M.62 WM under
> > > the sprig sub-variety.
> > > HMMMMM .... Rhode Island Ship Token has this
> type of
> > > effect ...
> > > Although made in England, the legends on the
> token
> > > are in Dutch.
> > > Originally the engraver mistakenly included the
> word
> > > "vlugtende"
> > > (fleeing) on the obverse of the coin under the
> > > flagship. Clearly
> > > this was meant to be on the reverse of the token
> > > which depicts the
> > > fleeing Continental troops. This error was soon
> > > discovered and had
> > > to be remedied, as one could easily interpret
> the
> > > obverse to mean
> > > the Admiral's flagship was fleeing! The obverse
> die
> > > was recut so
> > > that a wreath design replaced the offending word
> > > under the flagship.
> > > Also, the word "vlugtende" was scrapped off the
> > > remaining
> > > undistributed stock of the token that already
> been
> > > made.
> > > The die progression seems logical?: WM, Sprig
> over
> > > WM then M.62 with
> > > no signs of WM.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray
> Williams
> > > <njraywms@o...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > John,
> > > > Can you give us the present owner of the
> two
> > > coins you refer
> > > to, or a plated auction appearance? I'd like to
> see
> > > an example. Do
> > > you recall if the obverse with WM under the
> sprigs
> > > was a 60, 61, 62
> > > or 63?
> > > > Ray
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: johnmenc@o...
> > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:33 AM
> > > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: WM New
> > > Jersey
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > As I mentioned earlier having seen two?
> examples
> > > with WM under
> > > the
> > > > sprigs it was Higgins ALSO who came up with
> one
> > > of these
> > > examples a
> > > > month or two after his discovery. All I am
> > > saying is everyone
> > > should
> > > > check there Morristown pieces in the sprig
> area
> > > with a loop ...
> > > to
> > > > be honest ... I have forgotten to do this
> lately
> > > (i.e., last
> > > couple
> > > > of years).
> > >
> > >
> >
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