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Thanks - it is a good process with which to experiment with
different techniques - lighting, etc. I think that you will find
it very useful for all sorts of applications.

Jim/CNLF

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Roger Moore wrote:

> Jim, I've already sealed the things in an envelop. I
> will try your suggestion when I get them back. The
> photos are small but all the other items might be of
> interest. Roger
>
>
> --- "J.C.SPILMAN" <JCSpilman1@Comcast.NET> wrote:
>
> > Roger - -
> >
> > Before you mail the photos - try an experiment.
> >
> > Place the prints on a flat surface, tilted somewhat
> > if necessary,
> > and set it where it will get direct skylight, but
> > NOT direct
> > sunlight (but experiment if you like) and copy the
> > photos up
> > close with your digital camera. It will work best
> > if you have
> > your camera mounted on a tripod so that the distance
> > of lens to
> > photo is always the same. Fill the image finder
> > with the coin
> > image and be certain that focus is correct, and
> > SHARP. Shoot
> > with maximum resolution.
> >
> > I have been doing this for several years (both film
> > and digital)
> > and it works very nicely for almost any copying
> > requirement.
> >
> > Jim/CNLF
> >
> > ==============================
> >
> > Roger Moore wrote:
> >
> > > Or how about the die progression being 1)sprig
> > under
> > > scroll and 2) a later addition of the WM. "Later"
> > to
> > > be defined. Perhaps not but I think the coin(s)
> > need
> > > re-evaluation. Just my opinion. I have photos of
> > the
> > > coin as they were provided to interested parties
> > by
> > > Higgins, as well as the number of appearances for
> > it
> > > in Coin World, etc. I will be sending these to
> > Jim
> > > Spilman this weekend so that he can scan them and
> > post
> > > them for those who have not seen it. Roger - the
> > > iconoclast
> > >
> > >
> > > --- johnmenc@optonline.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > The WM was under the obverse without the 1/2 to
> > this
> > > > Rarity 9 WM
> > > > example. Both were with an obverse 62. Several
> > weeks
> > > > had gone by
> > > > since the WM Higgins find and Higgins had the
> > usual
> > > > "grin" on his
> > > > face whenever he saw a C4'er walk by or when
> > anyone
> > > > was examining
> > > > his great find (rightfully so) ... so anyway ...
> > I
> > > > was walking by
> > > > maybe two Parsipanny shows later and someone who
> > > > knew him mentioned
> > > > to me Higgins found something very unusual
> > > > associated with this
> > > > R9 ... so I walked over ... and there was an
> > example
> > > > with WM (very
> > > > faint but present around 50% or so) under the
> > sprig
> > > > for a Morristown
> > > > M.62 obverse NJ. After his find what would be
> > the
> > > > next logical
> > > > cherrypicking step or action? ... I checked my
> > > > entire collection ...
> > > > and NOTHING. I searched for a year ... and
> > NOTHING.
> > > > Then after a
> > > > year ... I stopped looking ... I think if
> > everyone
> > > > looked for a
> > > > year ... R6+ would not be an overstatement? for
> > this
> > > > M.62 WM under
> > > > the sprig sub-variety.
> > > > HMMMMM .... Rhode Island Ship Token has this
> > type of
> > > > effect ...
> > > > Although made in England, the legends on the
> > token
> > > > are in Dutch.
> > > > Originally the engraver mistakenly included the
> > word
> > > > "vlugtende"
> > > > (fleeing) on the obverse of the coin under the
> > > > flagship. Clearly
> > > > this was meant to be on the reverse of the token
> > > > which depicts the
> > > > fleeing Continental troops. This error was soon
> > > > discovered and had
> > > > to be remedied, as one could easily interpret
> > the
> > > > obverse to mean
> > > > the Admiral's flagship was fleeing! The obverse
> > die
> > > > was recut so
> > > > that a wreath design replaced the offending word
> > > > under the flagship.
> > > > Also, the word "vlugtende" was scrapped off the
> > > > remaining
> > > > undistributed stock of the token that already
> > been
> > > > made.
> > > > The die progression seems logical?: WM, Sprig
> > over
> > > > WM then M.62 with
> > > > no signs of WM.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray
> > Williams
> > > > <njraywms@o...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > John,
> > > > > Can you give us the present owner of the
> > two
> > > > coins you refer
> > > > to, or a plated auction appearance? I'd like to
> > see
> > > > an example. Do
> > > > you recall if the obverse with WM under the
> > sprigs
> > > > was a 60, 61, 62
> > > > or 63?
> > > > > Ray
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: johnmenc@o...
> > > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:33 AM
> > > > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: WM New
> > > > Jersey
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As I mentioned earlier having seen two?
> > examples
> > > > with WM under
> > > > the
> > > > > sprigs it was Higgins ALSO who came up with
> > one
> > > > of these
> > > > examples a
> > > > > month or two after his discovery. All I am
> > > > saying is everyone
> > > > should
> > > > > check there Morristown pieces in the sprig
> > area
> > > > with a loop ...
> > > > to
> > > > > be honest ... I have forgotten to do this
> > lately
> > > > (i.e., last
> > > > couple
> > > > > of years).
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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Thanks - it is a good process with which to experiment with different techniques
- lighting, etc. I think that you will find it very useful for all
sorts of applications.
Jim/CNLF
===================
Roger Moore wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> <tt>Jim, I've already sealed the things
in an envelop. I</tt>
 <tt>will try your suggestion when I get them back. The</tt>
 <tt>photos are small but all the other items might be of</tt>
 <tt>interest. Roger</tt>
 
<tt>--- "J.C.SPILMAN" <JCSpilman1@Comcast.NET> wrote:</tt>
<tt>> Roger - -</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> Before you mail the photos - try an experiment.</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> Place the prints on a flat surface, tilted somewhat</tt>
 <tt>> if necessary,</tt>
 <tt>> and set it where it will get direct skylight, but</tt>
 <tt>> NOT direct</tt>
 <tt>> sunlight (but experiment if you like) and copy the</tt>
 <tt>> photos up</tt>
 <tt>> close with your digital camera. It will work best</tt>
 <tt>> if you have</tt>
 <tt>> your camera mounted on a tripod so that the distance</tt>
 <tt>> of lens to</tt>
 <tt>> photo is always the same. Fill the image finder</tt>
 <tt>> with the coin</tt>
 <tt>> image and be certain that focus is correct, and</tt>
 <tt>> SHARP. Shoot</tt>
 <tt>> with maximum resolution.</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> I have been doing this for several years (both film</tt>
 <tt>> and digital)</tt>
 <tt>> and it works very nicely for almost any copying</tt>
 <tt>> requirement.</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> Jim/CNLF</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> ==============================</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> Roger Moore wrote:</tt>
 <tt>></tt>
 <tt>> > Or how about the die progression being 1)sprig</tt>
 <tt>> under</tt>
 <tt>> > scroll and 2) a later addition of the WM. "Later"</tt>
 <tt>> to</tt>
 <tt>> > be defined. Perhaps not but I think the coin(s)</tt>
 <tt>> need</tt>
 <tt>> > re-evaluation. Just my opinion. I have photos of</tt>
 <tt>> the</tt>
 <tt>> > coin as they were provided to interested parties</tt>
 <tt>> by</tt>
 <tt>> > Higgins, as well as the number of appearances for</tt>
 <tt>> it</tt>
 <tt>> > in Coin World, etc. I will be sending these to</tt>
 <tt>> Jim</tt>
 <tt>> > Spilman this weekend so that he can scan them and</tt>
 <tt>> post</tt>
 <tt>> > them for those who have not seen it. Roger - the</tt>
 <tt>> > iconoclast</tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> > --- johnmenc@optonline.net wrote:</tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> > > The WM was under the obverse without the 1/2 to</tt>
 <tt>> this</tt>
 <tt>> > > Rarity 9 WM</tt>
 <tt>> > > example. Both were with an obverse 62. Several</tt>
 <tt>> weeks</tt>
 <tt>> > > had gone by</tt>
 <tt>> > > since the WM Higgins find and Higgins had the</tt>
 <tt>> usual</tt>
 <tt>> > > "grin" on his</tt>
 <tt>> > > face whenever he saw a C4'er walk by or when</tt>
 <tt>> anyone</tt>
 <tt>> > > was examining</tt>
 <tt>> > > his great find (rightfully so) ... so anyway ...</tt>
 <tt>> I</tt>
 <tt>> > > was walking by</tt>
 <tt>> > > maybe two Parsipanny shows later and someone who</tt>
 <tt>> > > knew him mentioned</tt>
 <tt>> > > to me Higgins found something very unusual</tt>
 <tt>> > > associated with this</tt>
 <tt>> > > R9 ... so I walked over ... and there was an</tt>
 <tt>> example</tt>
 <tt>> > > with WM (very</tt>
 <tt>> > > faint but present around 50% or so) under the</tt>
 <tt>> sprig</tt>
 <tt>> > > for a Morristown</tt>
 <tt>> > > M.62 obverse NJ. After his find what would be</tt>
 <tt>> the</tt>
 <tt>> > > next logical</tt>
 <tt>> > > cherrypicking step or action? ... I checked my</tt>
 <tt>> > > entire collection ...</tt>
 <tt>> > > and NOTHING. I searched for a year ... and</tt>
 <tt>> NOTHING.</tt>
 <tt>> > > Then after a</tt>
 <tt>> > > year ... I stopped looking ... I think if</tt>
 <tt>> everyone</tt>
 <tt>> > > looked for a</tt>
 <tt>> > > year ... R6+ would not be an overstatement? for</tt>
 <tt>> this</tt>
 <tt>> > > M.62 WM under</tt>
 <tt>> > > the sprig sub-variety.</tt>
 <tt>> > > HMMMMM .... Rhode Island Ship Token has this</tt>
 <tt>> type of</tt>
 <tt>> > > effect ...</tt>
 <tt>> > > Although made in England, the legends on the</tt>
 <tt>> token</tt>
 <tt>> > > are in Dutch.</tt>
 <tt>> > > Originally the engraver mistakenly included the</tt>
 <tt>> word</tt>
 <tt>> > > "vlugtende"</tt>
 <tt>> > > (fleeing) on the obverse of the coin under the</tt>
 <tt>> > > flagship. Clearly</tt>
 <tt>> > > this was meant to be on the reverse of the token</tt>
 <tt>> > > which depicts the</tt>
 <tt>> > > fleeing Continental troops. This error was soon</tt>
 <tt>> > > discovered and had</tt>
 <tt>> > > to be remedied, as one could easily interpret</tt>
 <tt>> the</tt>
 <tt>> > > obverse to mean</tt>
 <tt>> > > the Admiral's flagship was fleeing! The obverse</tt>
 <tt>> die</tt>
 <tt>> > > was recut so</tt>
 <tt>> > > that a wreath design replaced the offending word</tt>
 <tt>> > > under the flagship.</tt>
 <tt>> > > Also, the word "vlugtende" was scrapped off the</tt>
 <tt>> > > remaining</tt>
 <tt>> > > undistributed stock of the token that already</tt>
 <tt>> been</tt>
 <tt>> > > made.</tt>
 <tt>> > > The die progression seems logical?: WM, Sprig</tt>
 <tt>> over</tt>
 <tt>> > > WM then M.62 with</tt>
 <tt>> > > no signs of WM.</tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray</tt>
 <tt>> Williams</tt>
 <tt>> > > <njraywms@o...></tt>
 <tt>> > > wrote:</tt>
 <tt>> > > > John,</tt>
 <tt>> > > > Can you give us the present owner
of the</tt>
 <tt>> two</tt>
 <tt>> > > coins you refer</tt>
 <tt>> > > to, or a plated auction appearance? I'd like to</tt>
 <tt>> see</tt>
 <tt>> > > an example. Do</tt>
 <tt>> > > you recall if the obverse with WM under the</tt>
 <tt>> sprigs</tt>
 <tt>> > > was a 60, 61, 62</tt>
 <tt>> > > or 63?</tt>
 <tt>> > > > Ray</tt>
 <tt>> > > > ----- Original Message -----</tt>
 <tt>> > > > From: johnmenc@o...</tt>
 <tt>> > > > To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com</tt>
 <tt>> > > > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 9:33 AM</tt>
 <tt>> > > > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: WM New</tt>
 <tt>> > > Jersey</tt>
 <tt>> > > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > ></tt>
 <tt>> > > > As I mentioned earlier having seen two?</tt>
 <tt>> examples</tt>
 <tt>> > > with WM under</tt>
 <tt>> > > the</tt>
 <tt>> > > > sprigs it was Higgins ALSO who came up with</tt>
 <tt>> one</tt>
 <tt>> > > of these</tt>
 <tt>> > > examples a</tt>
 <tt>> > > > month or two after his discovery. All I am</tt>
 <tt>> > > saying is everyone</tt>
 <tt>> > > should</tt>
 <tt>> > > > check there Morristown pieces in the sprig</tt>
 <tt>> area</tt>
 <tt>> > > with a loop ...</tt>
 <tt>> > > to</tt>
 <tt>> > > > be honest ... I have forgotten to do this</tt>
 <tt>> lately</tt>
 <tt>> > > (i.e., last</tt>
 <tt>> > > couple</tt>
 <tt>> > > > of years).</tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> > ></tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> ></tt>
 <tt>> >
Yahoo! Groups Sponsor</tt>
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ADVERTISEMENT</tt>
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