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From: Roger Moore <rogermoore435@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: WM under Sprig New Jersey
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Jim, the other night a neighbor brought me an oil
painting that he had purchased at a local antique
store for $150. He has disacovered that it was
painted by an early American painter and it is worth
over $40,000. He asked me to photograph it so he
could sent images to a museum. I will say that
photography of oil paintings is a challenge. I tried
all sorts of lighting but the oil gets a glare that
whites out the image. I ended up getting great
photographs but turning the two lights I was using
AWAY from the photograph. The painting was in the
dark, but in the automatic mode the aperature was kept
open longer due to the dark and the photograph came
out perfect. I continue to say that the two key
elements in photography for me are focus and lighting.
Roger
--- "J.C.SPILMAN" <JCSpilman1@Comcast.NET> wrote:
> Thanks - it is a good process with which to
> experiment with
> different techniques - lighting, etc. I think that
> you will find
> it very useful for all sorts of applications.
>
> Jim/CNLF
>
> ===================
>
> Roger Moore wrote:
>
> > Jim, I've already sealed the things in an
> envelop. I
> > will try your suggestion when I get them back.
> The
> > photos are small but all the other items might be
> of
> > interest. Roger
> >
> >
> > --- "J.C.SPILMAN" <JCSpilman1@Comcast.NET> wrote:
> >
> > > Roger - -
> > >
> > > Before you mail the photos - try an experiment.
> > >
> > > Place the prints on a flat surface, tilted
> somewhat
> > > if necessary,
> > > and set it where it will get direct skylight,
> but
> > > NOT direct
> > > sunlight (but experiment if you like) and copy
> the
> > > photos up
> > > close with your digital camera. It will work
> best
> > > if you have
> > > your camera mounted on a tripod so that the
> distance
> > > of lens to
> > > photo is always the same. Fill the image finder
> > > with the coin
> > > image and be certain that focus is correct, and
> > > SHARP. Shoot
> > > with maximum resolution.
> > >
> > > I have been doing this for several years (both
> film
> > > and digital)
> > > and it works very nicely for almost any copying
> > > requirement.
> > >
> > > Jim/CNLF
> > >
> > > ==============================
> > >
> > > Roger Moore wrote:
> > >
> > > > Or how about the die progression being
> 1)sprig
> > > under
> > > > scroll and 2) a later addition of the WM.
> "Later"
> > > to
> > > > be defined. Perhaps not but I think the
> coin(s)
> > > need
> > > > re-evaluation. Just my opinion. I have
> photos of
> > > the
> > > > coin as they were provided to interested
> parties
> > > by
> > > > Higgins, as well as the number of appearances
> for
> > > it
> > > > in Coin World, etc. I will be sending these
> to
> > > Jim
> > > > Spilman this weekend so that he can scan them
> and
> > > post
> > > > them for those who have not seen it. Roger -
> the
> > > > iconoclast
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- johnmenc@optonline.net wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The WM was under the obverse without the 1/2
> to
> > > this
> > > > > Rarity 9 WM
> > > > > example. Both were with an obverse 62.
> Several
> > > weeks
> > > > > had gone by
> > > > > since the WM Higgins find and Higgins had
> the
> > > usual
> > > > > "grin" on his
> > > > > face whenever he saw a C4'er walk by or when
> > > anyone
> > > > > was examining
> > > > > his great find (rightfully so) ... so anyway
> ...
> > > I
> > > > > was walking by
> > > > > maybe two Parsipanny shows later and someone
> who
> > > > > knew him mentioned
> > > > > to me Higgins found something very unusual
> > > > > associated with this
> > > > > R9 ... so I walked over ... and there was an
> > > example
> > > > > with WM (very
> > > > > faint but present around 50% or so) under
> the
> > > sprig
> > > > > for a Morristown
> > > > > M.62 obverse NJ. After his find what would
> be
> > > the
> > > > > next logical
> > > > > cherrypicking step or action? ... I checked
> my
> > > > > entire collection ...
> > > > > and NOTHING. I searched for a year ... and
> > > NOTHING.
> > > > > Then after a
> > > > > year ... I stopped looking ... I think if
> > > everyone
> > > > > looked for a
> > > > > year ... R6+ would not be an overstatement?
> for
> > > this
> > > > > M.62 WM under
> > > > > the sprig sub-variety.
> > > > > HMMMMM .... Rhode Island Ship Token has this
> > > type of
> > > > > effect ...
> > > > > Although made in England, the legends on the
> > > token
> > > > > are in Dutch.
> > > > > Originally the engraver mistakenly included
> the
> > > word
> > > > > "vlugtende"
> > > > > (fleeing) on the obverse of the coin under
> the
> > > > > flagship. Clearly
> > > > > this was meant to be on the reverse of the
> token
> > > > > which depicts the
> > > > > fleeing Continental troops. This error was
> soon
> > > > > discovered and had
> > > > > to be remedied, as one could easily
> interpret
> > > the
> > > > > obverse to mean
> > > > > the Admiral's flagship was fleeing! The
> obverse
> > > die
> > > > > was recut so
> > > > > that a wreath design replaced the offending
> word
> > > > > under the flagship.
> > > > > Also, the word "vlugtende" was scrapped off
> the
> > > > > remaining
> > > > > undistributed stock of the token that
> already
> > > been
> > > > > made.
> > > > > The die progression seems logical?: WM,
> Sprig
> > > over
> > > > > WM then M.62 with
> > > > > no signs of WM.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com, Ray
> > > Williams
> > > > > <njraywms@o...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > John,
> > > > > > Can you give us the present owner of
> the
> > > two
> > > > > coins you refer
> > > > > to, or a plated auction appearance? I'd
> like to
> > > see
> > > > > an example. Do
> > > > > you recall if the obverse with WM under the
> > > sprigs
>
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