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From: Mike Hodder <mike468hodder@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: WM under Sprig New Jersey
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Two provisos, here:
Corrected dies: since they can be corrected for any
number of reasons, I'll be liberal in my understanding
of your meaning.
Early American: I take this conservatively to mean
only dies made here in the good ole USofA. I'll bet
that you could finds all sorts of overdates and
corrected legends in Spanish colonial coins and
medals.
Therefore: earliest, most Mass silver dies were
corrected for one reason or another. Then, 1776 Conti
$, N.5-D, with Y over E and floral element at end to
correct CURRENCEY misspelling.
Mike H
--- "J.C.SPILMAN" <JCSpilman1@Comcast.NET> wrote:
> Mike - et al
>
> My personal interest here is to establish the
> earliest DATE in
> which corrected dies appeared on the Early American
> scene. I
> would be willing to bet that they can be found in
> the Roman and
> Greek coinages - just like center dots (which, by
> the way, we
> know continued at the U.S.Mint up until the
> mid-1800"s.!).
>
> Jim/CNLF
>
> =======================
>
> Mike Hodder wrote:
>
> > Dave:
> >
> > There are others, too, as you noted. The steam
> coinage
> > medal date alteration is a good one. I wrote about
> the
> > implications of the error reverse for the dating
> of
> > the reverse die sequence of the WBB medal in last
> > May's Ford catalog. If we extend the discussion to
> > include early US Mint coins we'll find scads more
> > examples of dies with very obvious alterations
> used to
> > make copper, silver, and gold coins.
> >
> > Mike H
> >
> > --- dmenchell@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jim, Mike, at al:
> > >
> > > Other examples which immediately come to mind
> > > include the U.S. Mint's medal
> > > commemorating the first steam coinage, with the
> date
> > > first listed as FEB. 22,
> > > and the Washington Before Boston medal struck at
> the
> > > Paris Mint with the error
> > > date MCCLXXVI (1276). The First Steam Coinage
> medal
> > > was to be struck on
> > > Washington's birthday, but the actual event was
> > > delayed until March 23rd due to
> > > mechanical problems. There are examples of the
> > > medal with the original FEB. 22
> > > date and the subsequent MAR. 23 date punched
> over
> > > the original date.
> > >
> > > As for the error date Washington Before Boston,
> > > there had been speculation
> > > originally that the error reverse was an early
> die
> > > trial. However, examples
> > > using this reverse have the obverse die with
> more
> > > advanced die rust than
> > > specimens with the correct date and original
> reverse
> > > (Boston Public Library specimen
> > > in gold and others in silver and bronze). It is
> now
> > > believed that the error
> > > date reverse was prepared as a replacement for
> the
> > > original reverse die which
> > > probably failed in the 1790's, and the date was
> > > subsequently corrected to
> > > MDCCLXXVI. This die was used until the 1820's
> (the
> > > first Paris restrike)., when it
> > > failed and was replaced by a third reverse (the
> > > second Paris restrike).
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Dave M.
> > >
> >
> >
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