[ColNewsLetFndn] A few Ford musings

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Clem - - You wrote - -

> Other conversations and meetings included the time I showed him a few
> of the very rare Slave Badges that a friend an I acquired at a small
> auction and the time I ran into John at a convention and got to
> introduce him to my good friend Stan Stephens, who instantly started
> to quiz him on his gold Saint Patrick farthing. Well it�s on Stack�s
> site now Stan, large image in all its glory �what do you
> think?
>
>
>
> Clem - - you tread here on very thin ice when you ask about gold items
> in the Ford sale. I have been in the Early American Numismatics arena
> for about 45 years - almost enough to be called an "old timer."
>
> During that time I have had several private discussions with others
> having the same span of interest and specific coinages - some even
> longer than mine.
>
> So - what do I think?
>
> I think that you should be very suspicious of any gold item in the
> Ford sale. Especially if it came through the estate of F.C.C.Boyd.
> Boyd was scamed by a number of snake oil salesmen who manufactured
> unique specimens in gold for sale to Boyd. In earlier years - many of
> these unique gold items moved into the hands of other owners who
> believe them to be genuine. They are not!
>
> Note specifically - I AM NOT saying that the St.Pats. is a fake. I do
> not know whether it is or not. There are others that may know for
> certain. However - I can say that the St. Pats. specimen is not
> believed by Stack's to be a fake - otherwise it would not be in the
> catalog. Stacks has previously removed several gold items from
> earlier Ford sales that were known to be spurious.
>
>
> Many of those who could have testified to these statements are now
> dead. There do remain alive today several numismatists who are aware
> of these facts and can tell you who manufactured these spurious
> specimens, and when. I hope that someday they will document their
> information as a matter of historical record.
>
> It will be another 15 years or so before many of these questions are
> answered. Back when the late Ray Williamson was writing "Early Breen"
> for CNL he showed me several very detailed letters written by Walter
> Breen that discussed a number of cases and people with whom Breen had
> interacted in such matters. We decided NOT to publish any of that
> material in CNL but instead to impound the letters for a 25 year
> period assuming that all the parties involved would then be dead. If
> memory serves - only one such person remains alive today. I am
> uncertain of the exact date when these letters can be open and read -
> but believe it to be close to the year 2015, at which time the "To be
> continued" statement on page 1530B of CNL can be implemented. Those
> several sealed letters are currently impounded at the American
> Numismatic Society Library under the stewardship of Chief Librarian
> Frank Campbell.
>
> Jim/CNLF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Clem - - You wrote - -
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<div class="MsoNormal">Other
conversations and meetings included the time I showed him a few of the
very rare Slave Badges that a friend an I acquired at a small auction and
the time I ran into John at a convention and got to introduce him to my
good friend Stan Stephens, who instantly started to quiz him on his
gold Saint Patrick farthing. Well it�s on Stack�s site now Stan, large
image in all its glory
�what do you think?
 
 
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<div class="MsoNormal"><tt>Clem - - you tread here on very thin ice when
you ask about gold items in the Ford sale. I have been in the Early
American Numismatics arena for about 45 years - almost enough to be called
an "old timer."</tt></div>

<tt>During that time I have had several private discussions
with others having the same span of interest and specific coinages - some
even longer than mine.</tt>

<tt>So - what do I think?</tt>

<tt>I think that
you should be very suspicious of any gold item in the Ford sale.
Especially if it came through the estate of F.C.C.Boyd. Boyd was scamed
by a number of snake oil salesmen who manufactured unique specimens in
gold for sale to Boyd. In earlier years - many of these unique gold
items moved into the hands of other owners who believe them to be genuine.
They are not!</tt>

<tt>Note specifically - I AM NOT saying that
the St.Pats. is a fake. I do not know whether it is or not. There
are others that may know for certain. However - I can say
that the St. Pats. specimen is not believed by Stack's to be a fake
- otherwise it would not be in the catalog. Stacks has previously
removed several gold items from earlier Ford sales that were known
to be spurious.</tt>
 

<tt>Many of those who could have testified to these
statements are now dead. There do remain alive today several numismatists
who are aware of these facts and can tell you who manufactured these
spurious specimens, and when. I hope that someday they will document
their information as a matter of historical record.</tt>

<tt>It will be another 15 years or so before many
of these questions are answered.</tt><tt> Back when the late Ray Williamson
was writing "Early Breen" for CNL he showed me several very detailed letters
written by Walter Breen that discussed a number of cases and people with
whom Breen had interacted in such matters. We decided NOT to publish
any of that material in CNL but instead to impound the letters for a 25
year period assuming that all the parties involved would then be dead.
If memory serves - only one such person remains alive today. I am
uncertain of the exact date when these letters can be open and read - but
believe it to be close to the year 2015, at which time the "To be continued"
statement on page 1530B of CNL can be implemented. Those several
sealed letters are currently impounded at the American Numismatic Society
Library under the stewardship of Chief Librarian Frank Campbell.</tt>
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<tt>Jim/CNLF</tt>
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