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From: Roger Moore <rogermoore435@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] Re: [ColNewsLetFndn] A few Ford musings
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Clem, My feeling is the only way to approach the dark
side is to study it as intently as the bright side so
that you can recognize it. Perhaps I dwell too much
on the dark side but this is also the hidden, "dirty
little secret" of numismatics that I deeply feel needs
to be exposed to the light of day. Just my opinion.
Roger
--- "Clement V. Schettino" <copperclem@comcast.net>
wrote:
> Hey Roger, Jim,
>
>
>
> I suppose I should thank Jim for the information and
> the reminder that there
> is also a dark side to numismatics, just like in
> life. I do not hide my head
> in the sand. But I do prefer to walk toward and in
> the light and leave the
> dark side to others, both in numismatics and life.
>
>
>
> Clem
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Moore [mailto:rogermoore435@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 6:27 PM
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Colonial Numismatics] Re:
> [ColNewsLetFndn] A few Ford musings
>
>
>
> Clem, I disagree. We can either hide our heads in
> the sand or realize there are deceptive pieces out
> there made to fool the collector. You opened the
> door
> so don't be upset with what enters. Roger
>
>
> --- "Clement V. Schettino" <copperclem@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Even though people might find the way this string
> is
> > going to be interesting
> > and important I for one am sorry it has taken this
> > direction, it was not my
> > intent. It seems to be going further in some other
> > egroups and I hope it
> > stops soon.
> >
> >
> >
> > My statement of "what do you think" was actually a
> > comment directed to Stan
> > S, and was meant as a casual statement as I knew
> he
> > was waiting to see this
> > item.
> >
> >
> >
> > Clem
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: JCSpilman [mailto:JCSpilman1@Comcast.NET]
> > Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 5:03 PM
> > To: ColNewsLetFndn@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Re:
> [ColNewsLetFndn]
> > A few Ford musings
> >
> >
> >
> > Clem - - You wrote - -
> >
> > Other conversations and meetings included the time
> I
> > showed him a few of the
> > very rare Slave Badges that a friend an I acquired
> > at a small auction and
> > the time I ran into John at a convention and got
> to
> > introduce him to my good
> > friend Stan Stephens, who instantly started to
> quiz
> > him on his gold Saint
> > Patrick farthing. Well it's on Stack's site now
> > Stan, large image in all its
> > glory .what do you think?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Clem - - you tread here on very thin ice when you
> > ask about gold items in
> > the Ford sale. I have been in the Early American
> > Numismatics arena for
> > about 45 years - almost enough to be called an
> "old
> > timer."
> >
> > During that time I have had several private
> > discussions with others having
> > the same span of interest and specific coinages -
> > some even longer than
> > mine.
> >
> > So - what do I think?
> >
> > I think that you should be very suspicious of any
> > gold item in the Ford
> > sale. Especially if it came through the estate of
> > F.C.C.Boyd. Boyd was
> > scamed by a number of snake oil salesmen who
> > manufactured unique specimens
> > in gold for sale to Boyd. In earlier years - many
> > of these unique gold
> > items moved into the hands of other owners who
> > believe them to be genuine.
> > They are not!
> >
> > Note specifically - I AM NOT saying that the
> > St.Pats. is a fake. I do not
> > know whether it is or not. There are others that
> may
> > know for certain.
> > However - I can say that the St. Pats. specimen is
> > not believed by Stack's
> > to be a fake - otherwise it would not be in the
> > catalog. Stacks has
> > previously removed several gold items from earlier
> > Ford sales that were
> > known to be spurious.
> >
> >
> > Many of those who could have testified to these
> > statements are now dead.
> > There do remain alive today several numismatists
> who
> > are aware of these
> > facts and can tell you who manufactured these
> > spurious specimens, and when.
> > I hope that someday they will document their
> > information as a matter of
> > historical record.
> >
> > It will be another 15 years or so before many of
> > these questions are
> > answered. Back when the late Ray Williamson was
> > writing "Early Breen" for
> > CNL he showed me several very detailed letters
> > written by Walter Breen that
> > discussed a number of cases and people with whom
> > Breen had interacted in
> > such matters. We decided NOT to publish any of
> that
> > material in CNL but
> > instead to impound the letters for a 25 year
> period
> > assuming that all the
> > parties involved would then be dead. If memory
> > serves - only one such person
> > remains alive today. I am uncertain of the exact
> > date when these letters
> > can be open and read - but believe it to be close
> to
> > the year 2015, at which
> > time the "To be continued" statement on page 1530B
> > of CNL can be
> > implemented. Those several sealed letters are
> > currently impounded at the
> > American Numismatic Society Library under the
> > stewardship of Chief Librarian
> > Frank Campbell.
> >
> > Jim/CNLF
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
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