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From: "Martin, Syd" <sfmartin@corp.sytexinc.com>
Subject: Why Silver Wood Pieces Syd???
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John: A couple of facts might prove important. First, I have seen=20
silver farthings from at least 3 (and maybe 4 -- I don't have my notes=20
with me) different die varieties (Ford has two distinct varieties,=20
Norweb had 2 or 3, etc.). Second, though many (particularly the 19 or=20
so found in the silver tube in England in the 1950s) are in high states=20
of preservation (Proof-like -- again, see five of the Ford pieces,=20
which all apparently came from that tube), I have seen silver farthings=20
that were no more than Fine, and some that were EF-AUish; particularly=20
the Fine pieces show more wear than would be expected even if they were=20
merely a "pocket piece." If they were made for some sort of test, or=20
as a sample sixpence (for example), there is no reason they would have=20
been made with so many die varieties. I lean to the theory that WW=20
occasionally wanted one for a presentation piece, so he'd have some=20
made up; then, when he ran out, he'd have some more made with whatever=20
dies were on the press at the time. I've never seen a reference to a=20
silver farthing in any contemporary literature. Syd
On Jan 4, 2005, at 5:27 PM, Ray Williams wrote:
> John,
> =A0=A0=A0 Could you share what site=A0you downloaded the below informatio=
n?=A0=20
> It's interesting and I'd like to read a little more on the topic.
> Ray
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: johnmenc@optonline.net
> To: colonial-coins@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:36 PM
> Subject: [Colonial Numismatics] Why Silver Wood Pieces Syd???
>
>
> As is well known William Wood had issued quantities of regal
> halfpennies and farthings for Ireland in 1722 and 1723, but these
> had been extremely unpopular, even though the last copper issue had
> been in 1696 and shortages were starting to appear. This popularity
> was in part the result of a campaign, given intellectual force by
> Swift's Drapier's Letters, which, in the spirit of the age, refused
> to accept the advantages of a separation between face and intrinsic
> value for the smaller denominations.
>
> Swift's arguments were based on political animus and some rather
> shakey economics. The American colonists proved more amenable and
> Mr. Wood's coins were shipped off across the ocean. Before Wood's
> issue, it was said that 'considerable manufacturers were obliged to
> pay their men with tallies or token in cards, signed upon the back,
> to be afterwards exchanged for money..: 2 Subsequently, there may
> well have been a recurrence of the perennial shortage of coinage in
> Ireland, bin this must have been alevinted, at least m part. by the
> issue of regal halfpence in 1736-38, 1741-44, and farthings in 1737,
> 1738 and 1744, to take only the most relevant years.
>
> Syd - I am currently reading the Drapier Letters - its interesting I
> can find no mention of the word "SILVER." Were these just
> experimental mint pieces or less likely presentation pieces? What
> are your thoughts on this matter???
>
>
>
>
>
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John: A couple of facts might prove important. First, I have seen
silver farthings from at least 3 (and maybe 4 -- I don't have my notes
with me) different die varieties (Ford has two distinct varieties,
Norweb had 2 or 3, etc.). Second, though many (particularly the 19 or
so found in the silver tube in England in the 1950s) are in high
states of preservation (Proof-like -- again, see five of the Ford
pieces, which all apparently came from that tube), I have seen silver
farthings that were no more than Fine, and some that were EF-AUish;
particularly the Fine pieces show more wear than would be expected
even if they were merely a "pocket piece." If they were made for some
sort of test, or as a sample sixpence (for example), there is no
reason they would have been made with so many die varieties. I lean
to the theory that WW occasionally wanted one for a presentation
piece, so he'd have some made up; then, when he ran out, he'd have
some more made with whatever dies were on the press at the time. I've
never seen a reference to a silver farthing in any contemporary
literature. Syd
On Jan 4, 2005, at 5:27 PM, Ray Williams wrote:
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<fixed>As is well known William Wood had issued quantities of regal =
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<fixed>halfpennies and farthings for Ireland in 1722 and 1723, but
these</fixed>
<fixed> had been extremely unpopular, even though the last copper
issue had</fixed>
<fixed> been in 1696 and shortages were starting to appear. This
popularity</fixed>
<fixed> was in part the result of a campaign, given intellectual force
by </fixed>
<fixed> Swift's Drapier's Letters, which, in the spirit of the age,
refused </fixed>
<fixed>to accept the advantages of a separation between face and
intrinsic</fixed>
<fixed> value for the smaller denominations.</fixed>
<fixed> Swift's arguments were based on political animus and some
rather </fixed>
<fixed>shakey economics. The American colonists proved more amenable
and </fixed>
<fixed>Mr. Wood's coins were shipped off across the ocean. Before
Wood's </fixed>
<fixed>issue, it was said that 'considerable manufacturers were
obliged to </fixed>
<fixed>pay their men with tallies or token in cards, signed upon the
back, </fixed>
<fixed>to be afterwards exchanged for money..: 2 Subsequently, there
may</fixed>
<fixed> well have been a recurrence of the perennial shortage of
coinage in </fixed>
<fixed> Ireland, bin this must have been alevinted, at least m part.
by the </fixed>
<fixed> issue of regal halfpence in 1736-38, 1741-44, and farthings in
1737, </fixed>
<fixed> 1738 and 1744, to take only the most relevant years.</fixed>
<fixed>Syd - I am currently reading the Drapier Letters - its
interesting I </fixed>
<fixed>can find no mention of the word "SILVER." Were these just =
</fixed>
<fixed>experimental mint pieces or less likely presentation pieces?
What </fixed>
<fixed>are your thoughts on this matter???</fixed>
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